malcolmcelyn Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I'm intending to make a start soon on scratch building my first ever 7mm scale loco, a Sentinel post-war 100 hp, known, I believe, as "lunch-boxes". I'm looking for detail photographs of any locos (I'm only making a 'generic' type, not a specific individual), especially from above. Does anyone have anything suitable they could share? Or perhaps you live near a preserved example and can take a photo from the station footbridge? I need both bonnet top and cab roof details, although all detail shots would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigeln Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Is this the same type ?? http://sentinel7109.blogspot.ie/2012/01/100-hp-sentinel-locos-frys-type.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I think this is the type usually referred to as a 'Lunch Box'. This was one of four at Whifflet Foundry, the others being Denis and IIRC John and Ranald. Jeremy 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmcelyn Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Is this the same type ?? http://sentinel7109.blogspot.ie/2012/01/100-hp-sentinel-locos-frys-type.html No Nigeln. It's the type shown in Jeremy C's post below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmcelyn Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think this is the type usually referred to as a 'Lunch Box'. robin.jpg This was one of four at Whifflet Foundry, the others being Denis and IIRC John and Ranald. Jeremy Yes, that's the one Jeremy. Bit of a top view so excellent! Anyone got any more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted January 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2013 Is this the same type ?? http://sentinel7109.blogspot.ie/2012/01/100-hp-sentinel-locos-frys-type.html I think this is the type usually referred to as a 'Lunch Box'. robin.jpg This was one of four at Whifflet Foundry, the others being Denis and IIRC John and Ranald. Jeremy If the 2nd example is a "lunch box" I think the 1st example should be called a "Doctor's bag"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Some more photos of Robin and Denis taken at Whifflet Foundry. Three [possibly all four] of these are preserved. Denis and Ranald at the Scottish Railway Preservation Society base at Bo'ness, Robin at the Summerlee Museum Coatbridge. The whereabouts of John seem seem uncertain. One list says it's at Boness, but the SRPS don't list it on their site. Jeremy. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Here's one at New Frome Quarry in 1969. I tried to get a bigger scan of just the loco, but I haven't got enough free memory at the moment. I'll try later if it's of any use. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmcelyn Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Thanks BG John. Looks like one of the bonnet hatches is open. I wonder if anything can be seen in an enlarged photo? Thanks also to Jeremy. Brilliant photos. That driver looks happy with life! Edited January 24, 2013 by malcolmcelyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) I think this is about the best I can do. It may have been taken with my Mum's Box Brownie, and if not, certainly something not much better! I think this was just about the only working steam loco I ever saw. I just missed out on steam in the south, and never got up north to see the end there. We'd stopped for a picnic beside the road, and either heard a whistle or saw some smoke. I've got a few more distant views of it, and a really grotty one of a Hymek on the Radstock branch nearby. Edited January 25, 2013 by BG John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Not particuarly helpful, perhaps, but interesting nonetheless: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxbrownie3/5438753087/ Picture found via http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=vallis+vale+frome&m=text which contains a few more- although I'm not a Sentinel expert so they may be the wrong type. If that is what you are looking for, one is "stuffed and mounted" not a million miles from me at Tytherington Quarry- I could potentially get some photos/ measurements if required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmcelyn Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think this is about the best I can do. It may have been taken with my Mum's Box Brownie, and if not, certainly something not much better! P00939a.jpg I think this was just about the only working steam loco I ever saw. I just missed out on steam in the south, and never got up north to see the end there. We'd stopped for a picnic beside the road, and either heard a whistle or saw some smoke. I've got a few more distant views of it, and a really grotty one of a Hymek on the Radstock branch nearby. Brilliant, thanks BGJ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmcelyn Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Not particuarly helpful, perhaps, but interesting nonetheless: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxbrownie3/5438753087/ Picture found via http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=vallis+vale+frome&m=text which contains a few more- although I'm not a Sentinel expert so they may be the wrong type. If that is what you are looking for, one is "stuffed and mounted" not a million miles from me at Tytherington Quarry- I could potentially get some photos/ measurements if required. I wouldnt want to put you out but a couple of shots of the roof & bonnet top would be brilliant, along with any other detail shots you came up with, especially axle boxes/springs/mounting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Might be a couple of weeks before I get a chance to get over there (this is a rare day off work!) in daylight hours but I'll do my best. There's a decent res. picture of her on the following link- http://sandfordstation.co.uk/2011/03/the-sentinel-shunter/. Looking a little sorry for herself under the slapped on coat of paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) There appear to be two types / model variations in the pictures earlier in this thread, with external bunker and with internal bunker. There is a preserved Diesel (*see below) loco of similar size at York museum, I have photos if interested. I did ask (in 2010) if the York archives had drawings and was told that they thought not, but still had lots of stuff to catalogue . Edit, My photos are of the loco shown painted green about 2/3rds way down the Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_Waggon_Works#DE_Class I believe that the similar diesel Loco No3 of Ley's Foundry, Derby was to be found in a Quarry somewhere in Gloucestershire, Can't find more details at present, filing system failure!!!! Edit#2 * Sorry! the York Sentinel is a steamer! Edited January 26, 2013 by DonB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) This one you mean Don? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sentinel_4wVBTG_at_NRM_York.jpg I take it that 'diesel' in the above was a slip of the keyboard - it definitely had a boiler in it last time I saw it at York. The bunker would be an 'extra'. The best place to ask about drawings would probably be the chap who runs this blog: http://sentinel7109.blogspot.co.uk/ - he's the Loco' Steward of the Sentinel Driver's Club (who hold most of the drawings). That loco' is a pre-war version of the 200HP variety. Quite different in many respects. Don't assume by the way that just because it's 'Railway' the stuff must be at York - always worth a look at the National Register of Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/default.asp Adam Edited January 26, 2013 by Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) There are quite a few photographs in the usual History of Sentinel (part 2). William of this design ran for a few months at Middleton Railway many years ago and it is now at Elsecar. If you go to Elsecar and talk nicely to the chaps there they can show you the loco close up. You can then get an idea of the general layout. IIRC William has an internal bunker http://sentinel7109.blogspot.co.uk/p/what-is-sentinel-7109.html http://www.elsecarrailway.co.uk/william.htm Edited January 26, 2013 by AMJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 This one you mean Don? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sentinel_4wVBTG_at_NRM_York.jpg I take it that 'diesel' in the above was a slip of the keyboard - it definitely had a boiler in it last time I saw it at York. The bunker would be an 'extra'. Adam Whoops, I was on auto-pilot, thinking of those of similar design which did get modified to diesel. As an afterthought, the Industrial Railway Record has many mentions of Sentinels in the output over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 The NRM Sentinel is at Streetlife in Hull at present; I'll do some digging on the Archive, but either the Sentinel Drivers' Club or Sentinel Trust would be good starting places. One place the archive isn't is York. My list of what archives are held where is on the desk at work and I won't get there until Monday, but it you can wait that long... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmcelyn Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 The NRM Sentinel is at Streetlife in Hull at present; I'll do some digging on the Archive, but either the Sentinel Drivers' Club or Sentinel Trust would be good starting places. One place the archive isn't is York. My list of what archives are held where is on the desk at work and I won't get there until Monday, but it you can wait that long... All information welcome, Sir Hadyn. (Shouldn't that be Sir Haydn?). Thanks to you and all other respondents for your help. Much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Where can I get a drawing for this type of sentinel shunter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RThompson Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2013 Where can I get a drawing for this type of sentinel shunter? Sadly I've not come across any decent drawings during my research for a new kit so have to go and measure and photograph myself with a friend 4 seperate locos. I'm afraid what I've got is not drawings but more notes in code! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanT Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I found this thread some time ago when researching the Sentinel 100HP locomotive for a Gauge 3 project that myself and two other G3S members were undertaking at the time. The idea was to design a simple and affordable RTR entry model for G3. After several false starts, I finally acquired a set of Sentinel GA drawings (thanks to the Sentinel Drivers Club) which were drawn full size in CAD - and then scaled to G3 at 1:22.6 (virtually the same as LGB 'G' at 1:22.5). John (another G3S member) then produced moulds from which cast resin body parts were made. I produced two prototype chassis, using commercial parts where ever possible - and two 'test' engines were built. For various reasons, everything then went quiet (family reasons etc) but last year the project was revived and the G3S commissioned a small number of locomotives to be built by an experienced modeller/member. The project was featured in Garden Rail last year (" A Little King? " -April 2019). Anyway, these Gauge 3 locomotives are now available on the G3S website ( Gauge 3 Society ) and we think they are pretty good value as a G3 'entry' model - a RTR Battery Electric, Radio controlled scale G3 shunter for £660 plus shipping (£600 to G3S members). The engines have a two-stage motor/gearbox directly driving one axle and a small (almost scale) chain driving the second. The short wheel based 0-4-0 engine can manage small curves quite easily and works well as a Shunter - so a good engine for smaller layouts. I'll attach a photo taken of one of the engines running on the 'Rundle' layout this weekend at the G3S AGM. More details are on the website. BTW - we decided to model the 'bunkered' version and spent a lot of time examining Sentinel photos (some from here - Than You) - so I would mention that over time many small changes were made to the engines but one that nearly caught us out was that the springing was beefed up at some point (more spring layers) and as a result the engine rode higher and things like buffer height were effected. With regards to drawings, whilst I won't publish the CAD files, I do have G3 scaled drawings (as A4 PDFs) that were distributed to various G3S members during the project development that would give a good leg up to a builder in any scale. Please post a request on the G3S Website's 'Contact Us' page if you'd like a copy ( I can manage one or two requests - hopefully I won't be inundated ). Regards, IanT 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanT Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I wasn't too sure whether I would be swamped by demands for Sentinel drawings - so I was a bit nervous about making the offer. I've had one request thus far. He seemed quite pleased to find a source of drawings - but he hasn't replied (thus far) to the email I sent with the files, so maybe wasn't too impressed. :-( However, as "inundation" now seems very unlikely - if anyone else would like the drawings, I can probably manage another request (or so) Regards, IanT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach james Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Another source of "sketch" drawings would be the Model Engineer articles in the 60's about building one in 5". (of which, there is one for sale on Station Road Steam's website right now...). It uses your Stuart D10 as the engine...so if you managed a 10V, you are about 1/20th to having a loco ! There are photos of the NRM owned engine on my Flickr- https://flic.kr/s/aHsjz5WqNQ James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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