Stevelewis Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 To be honest I am not sure if the L&B project will progress or not now as its allocated space seems to be sort of getting used up by a larger scale interloper from across the pond! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted April 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2016 Just in time for ExpoNG hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 To be honest I am not sure if the L&B project will progress or not now as its allocated space seems to be sort of getting used up by a larger scale interloper from across the pond! Care to elaborate on this statement a bit? Some sort of evidence or sources for your knowledge of production slots for example? Considering how far theyve got with tooling and running samples, I'd be surprised if Heljan happily threw all that money away. I'm open to being proved wrong though, and if that's the case, my already saved money can go to Backwoods for one, or more of theirs! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixoh8sixoh Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Care to elaborate on this statement a bit? Some sort of evidence or sources for your knowledge of production slots for example? Considering how far theyve got with tooling and running samples, I'd be surprised if Heljan happily threw all that money away. I'm open to being proved wrong though, and if that's the case, my already saved money can go to Backwoods for one, or more of theirs! Cheers J I think he meant his own personal L&B themed project (though I could be wrong!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2016 Yes Steve is playing with G scale again, he's not talking about Heljan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Jamz. I was actually referring to my PERSONAL L & B project NOT Heljan's Production schedual!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Yes Steve is playing with G scale again, he's not talking about Heljan Not quite G though a slightly Narrower gauge in the Garden ( sourced mainly from Track-Shack) and an even narrower gauge in the shed ( but not as Narrow as 00-9) You will note that my only locations now are Garden & Shed (Oh and Garage) As I am now banned from the actual house!! Edited April 14, 2016 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Jamz. I was actually referring to my PERSONAL L & B project NOT Heljan's Production schedual!! Ah! I see! Crossed wires and all that! Sorry for any confusion! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2016 As I am now banned from the actual house!! Blimey that's serious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Hattons now list the Locos in September / October delivery Stephen Edited May 31, 2016 by bertiedog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Hattons have a shot of EP model, in the newsletter, as of 5/6/2016, no new timing for release though. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Livery samples on the Railway Modeller Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/RailwayModeller/photos/a.105024046199291.4766.103363293032033/1081781501856869/?type=3&theater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2016 The original livery looks a tad too bright compared to other models like the ones by Henry Holdsworth. There's not enough difference between the two shades to my eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2016 Does anyone know or heard if Heljan have said they may produce the MW tanks in early condition, with smaller cabs , as delivered to the L&B? (I am not holding my breath!) Bob C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Looks possible from the tooling, see separate cab in photo on page 6, but I guess it will depend on how they sell this batch as nothing announced on it yet. Edited July 20, 2016 by PaulRhB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2016 Looks possible from the tooling, see separate cab in photo on page 6, but I guess it will depend on how they sell this batch as nothing announced on it yet. Thanks Paul, having looked at the photo on page 6, l can now see how a Lew can be easily added to the range, so an as built model would not be that difficult. As for the sale of this batch, l think these locos will fly off the shelves Bob C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I wonder if some kind soul here with a greater knowledge of the subject than I could please comment upon the accuracy of the Yeo model, the one in L&B livery? I note Blobrick's comment about the cabs being smaller as originally supplied, and this begged the question when a larger cab was fitted to Yeo; was it even in L&B days? Peco, I know, produced L&Y livery coaches with tooling accurate for the SR version (apparently there should be toplights for the L&B period. Hatton's 4800 is a semi-con, because it includes liveries not generally associated with the wartime modifications that its tooling contains. In short, I am starting to get a bit paranoid about RTR releases! The two pictures below seems to suggest (1) As originally supplied, Yeo's cab did not extend over the bunker, but (2) shows an extended cab, but Yeo still appears to be in L&B livery. Any dates, details and confirmation of the position would be very welcome. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) It appears that L&B livery is correct for both cabs fitted to this loco, so Heljan appear to be making an authentic model, where's the problem with that? They describe it as L&B livery which it is and not L&B period, which it may or may not be (no, I can't be bothered to look it up, either). Most r-t-r models have to be fiddled with to some extent if one chooses a limited time span to model, even those of us who settle on the more popular eras in railway history. I'm modelling 1960 and whether Hornby's Radial No.30582 is "accurate" depends on whether I choose Spring or Autumn. I suggest Edwardian might do his own research as to whether this particular model suits his needs rather than just inviting the rest of us to pass him ammunition to fire at yet another manufacturer just because a model may not exactly fit his chosen parameters. It's not as if there isn't plenty of published material on the L&B. John Edited July 21, 2016 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) They were originally supplied with an extension on the front of the cab which was removed as it trapped steam from the exhaust obscuring the drivers front windows the bunker was also boxed in then. These were removed in L& B days. Lew was a later build by the Southern Rly so can only carry SR livery and has a subtlety different cab with a flat back while the other three Taw, Exe & Yeo can carry either livery and the top of the cab back is stepped out. The rtr models are fine as they stand and Heljan has sensibly modelled the later style do they can carry either livery. As I said earlier a new cab for the early L&B only livery is possible in the tooling Edited July 21, 2016 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2016 They were originally supplied with an extension on the front of the cab which was removed as it trapped steam from the exhaust obscuring the drivers front windows the bunker was also boxed in then. These were removed in L& B days. Lew was a later build by the Southern Rly so can only carry SR livery and has a subtlety different cab with a flat back while the other three Taw, Exe & Yeo can carry either livery and the top of the cab back is stepped out. The rtr models are fine as they stand and Heljan has sensibly modelled the later style do they can carry either livery. As I said earlier a new cab for the early L&B only livery is possible in the tooling Now do I buy enough to do the whole fleet in case they don't d any more and modify them or not. Decisions decisions! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Did not Backwoods do an etched brass conversion cab kit for their kit version of the original L&B ? It altered the original to the later, but Heljan are doing the later style. Might try one of the brass kits after getting the RTR Heljan, as a second one is a costly exercise at the price, and may be even higher with exchange rates the way they are at present. I think the Baldwin from Bachmann will be bought first, and could be done in L&B livery, give or take an axle or two..........depends on how long to wait for it....... Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2016 Put it this way Ian, if they sell out fast then I'm sure the alternate early cab will follow, if they hang around there will be plenty of time to decide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2016 Did not Backwoods do an etched brass conversion cab kit for their kit version of the original L&B ? It altered the original to the later, but Heljan are doing the later style. Might try one of the brass kits after getting the RTR Heljan, as a second one is a costly exercise at the price, and may be even higher with exchange rates the way they are at present. I think the Baldwin from Bachmann will be bought first, and could be done in L&B livery, give or take an axle or two..........depends on how long to wait for it....... Stephen. I've not seen the cab etch sold on its own as I think the kit catered for both. Then there was a separate kit for Lew. While the backwoods ones make lovely models it does help to do a bit of modification if you want to make future servicing easier to access the drive mech. I haven't actually built their MW kit but it appears that this issue was common to all models from comments on other fora. Still the best kit there's been up till now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The cab kit is separate in the list from Backwoods, what puts me off a bit is the design of the chassis, it has to be assembled in one go, you can't easily test them as you work along, it's all or nothing, or re-design it your self. I have the Canopus and the Hudswell Clarke 060 diesel, both had problems with the flycranks, which I exchanged with home produced ones to cure slipping on the axle tips. But the major problem were the gears, they now work, but needed a new framed gearbox structure to get the smoothly in alignment. Very nice bodies and details though, but could do with a better chassis design on some of them. Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It appears that L&B livery is correct for both cabs fitted to this loco, so Heljan appear to be making an authentic model, where's the problem with that? They describe it as L&B livery which it is and not L&B period, which it may or may not be (no, I can't be bothered to look it up, either). Most r-t-r models have to be fiddled with to some extent if one chooses a limited time span to model, even those of us who settle on the more popular eras in railway history. I'm modelling 1960 and whether Hornby's Radial No.30582 is "accurate" depends on whether I choose Spring or Autumn. I suggest Edwardian might do his own research as to whether this particular model suits his needs rather than just inviting the rest of us to pass him ammunition to fire at yet another manufacturer just because a model may not exactly fit his chosen parameters. It's not as if there isn't plenty of published material on the L&B. John Sorry, John, I did specify "kind soul", which bit you evidently missed as you rushed to slam me down! I hope you found that cathartic, nonetheless. Had I world enough and time to be an expert on every aspect of the prototype that interests me, doubtless I would never need to ask a question! Alas, I am not so blessed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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