Georgeconna Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Good god I just noticed an O gauge L&B loco on rails!! https://www.railsofsheffield.com/search/search-results.aspx?searchTerm=lynton apologies if it is elsewhere on the forum!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Good god I just noticed an O gauge L&B loco on rails!! https://www.railsofsheffield.com/search/search-results.aspx?searchTerm=lynton apologies if it is elsewhere on the forum!! I hope it is O scale not O gauge - there is a considerable difference! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60006 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Good god I just noticed an O gauge L&B loco on rails!! https://www.railsofsheffield.com/search/search-results.aspx?searchTerm=lynton apologies if it is elsewhere on the forum!! Looks like an error on Rails' behalf. Other stockists are listing this as OO9. If memory serves, that code was part of the second batch announced not that long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I hope it is O scale not O gauge - there is a considerable difference! Another of my pet hates is descrbing non-rolling stock items as such-and-such gauge. An 0 gauge building? An 00 gauge car? (Oxford’s forthcoming Land Rover is an obvious exception. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 For info some of the locos are also being distributed via PECO, and are starting to arrive in some retailers already, the quantities are quite low. I look forward to the postman next week!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted June 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2017 The postie arrived a short while back... A tiny bit of a wobble on the lining above the cab side on the right, but a lovely little loco - and I only noticed it when I looked at the photos. It's had a few shuttles up and down the loop, I'm assuming it's my track at the moment but the rear pony truck seems to have an affinity for the ballast, I'll check the B2B to see if that's out a little but it runs well straight out of the box. Martin 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2017 ... and I've just had an email from the L&B shop at Woody Bay saying my Yeo has arrived with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The postie arrived a short while back... _DSC9528.jpg _DSC9530.jpg _DSC9531.jpg _DSC9532.jpg _DSC9533.jpg A tiny bit of a wobble on the lining above the cab side on the right, but a lovely little loco - and I only noticed it when I looked at the photos. It's had a few shuttles up and down the loop, I'm assuming it's my track at the moment but the rear pony truck seems to have an affinity for the ballast, I'll check the B2B to see if that's out a little but it runs well straight out of the box. Martin Looks good, Memo to myself arrange urgent recruitment of footplate staff!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Manning Wardle No 760 'Exe' just arrived from Denmark via Parcel Force about twenty minutes ago! Absolutely lovely - but I do have a few tweeks in mind for her though. I confidently await the anouncement of a model of 'Lyn' - it is such an onvious follow on that it has to happen. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) Manning Wardle No 760 'Exe' just arrived from Denmark via Parcel Force about twenty minutes ago! Absolutely lovely - but I do have a few tweeks in mind for her though. I confidently await the anouncement of a model of 'Lyn' - it is such an onvious follow on that it has to happen. Gerry Not so sure about LYN I would buy one if it was ever produced, but LYN was a ONE OFF so the number of variants in L&B form is limited, ( whereas the 2-6-2T has many variants thus the potential for sales for Heljan) I am buying 3 of the 2-6-2s but I would only buy 1 LYN The only possible chance for LYN may be that the loco was a USA production and as such there is the possibility of sales to be gained from Black liveried variants, just as Bachmann did with their G scale LYN. Personally I would like to see a NG UK loco from another railway, I often wonder how far ROCO got with their proposed Double Fairlie? they abandoned the project as there was not enough interest shown, perhaps Heljan may be interested in doing a deal with Roco's holding company!! Maybe Fourdees will have a look at LYN, snag there of course is there the fact there is no 2-4-2 9mm gauge chassis available ( as far as I am aware) Edited June 12, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted June 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2017 A man from PECO suggested that the next locos Heljan might do would be from the VoR. There is a certain logic to this, they are of a similar size and design to the L&B locos, there are three of them and they have carried several liveries. Lets hope all the L&B locos sell out, encouraging Heljan to proceed with another one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2017 The VoR tanks are BIG though so not going to fit on a lot of existing layouts. Those bunkers are wider than the tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'd buy 'Lyn' (don't forget that there are TWO British variants that can be done, L&B Original and Southern 762) which may make it a tad more viable. I'm also hoping that 'Lew/Lyd' will hit the shelves at some point - I have an ambition to get the whole L&B fleet in SR livery Not sure about the VoR lcoos, I'd have thought a FR Fairlie could well be the next step, but that is my own reckoning and is based on nothing more than what I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) Not sure about the VoR lcoos, I'd have thought a FR Fairlie could well be the next step, but that is my own reckoning and is based on nothing more than what I want. Same here, I would have thought FR style locos would be more useful for most 009 layouts....but then I'm not a 009 modeller so I don't really know. Give me an RTR Double Fairlie and I will happily part with my cash! In regards to the L&B locos, one of the people who purchased them from the shop on Saturday has tested them and reported his run excellently. So well done Heljan. (did I really just say that?) Alex Edit: I officially retract my "Well done Heljan" comment. Edited June 15, 2017 by Midland Mole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) If you ask for a poll of models wanted by OO9 modellers you'll get a list as long as your arm! Bearing in mind the success of the Bachmann US "Rev Awdrey" narrow gauge models over here in the UK I'd suggest that they'd be better looking at some smaller prototypes first as they will have much wider appeal and oust those HOe 760mm locos masquerading as OO9 locos! Edited June 12, 2017 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted June 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) The problem with FR Fairlies is that while a quick glance suggests they are similar, once you get to know them they are all very different, length, height, bogie centres, superstructures etc. The two most alike are actually the two that on the face of it are poles apart, Merddin Emrys & Earl of Merioneth (1979 built Square, not the renamed Livingston Thompson), as these were both built/rebuilt around the 1960s Hunslet boilers. Which ones would you pick for RTR? The current locos are significantly larger than the Victorian locos, but none of them were ever the same in the way that the L&B or VofR locos were. I think that's where Roco got cold feet, they were probably looking at a generic loco and if you are going to charge £200+ each that may well rule out a lot of people, the same way I decided not to buy a Minitrains 2-6-2T as it's not 4mm scale and will look wrong alongside a Bachmann Baldwin. If you are interested in FR Fairlies I thoroughly recommend 'Fairlie Locomotives of North Wales' http://www.festrail.co.uk/content/publish/news/516.shtml - 310 pages primarily covering the design changes and differences in a small fleet of locomotives. Martin Edited June 12, 2017 by mcowgill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Oh I agree that a RTR double Fairlie is unlikely, just a dream I have had since I went on the Ffestiniog as a young lad. Also, that book looks marvellous. Might have to pick one of those up sometime. Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Oh I agree that a RTR double Fairlie is unlikely, just a dream I have had since I went on the Ffestiniog as a young lad. Also, that book looks marvellous. Might have to pick one of those up sometime. Alex Dreaming ... articulated steamer ... Heljan ... you might wake up screaming in the middle of the night! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Yeo & Exe arrived this morning from Arcadia Models in Shaw. So here is a short first impressions report: I was immediately impressed by the weight of the unopened boxes! Locos well packed and when unpacked they are quite heavy around 180 gm ( A Minitrains 0-8-0 weighs 74gm) They have a definite solid feel to them a good proportion of the body appears to be metal not plastic, 2 of the 3 powered axles are gear driven and power is collected from EVERY wheel (Drivers & Ponies) I tested Exe first Analogue control ( no decoders fitted yet!) Loco was initially hesitant needed a little poking to initially start but then ran fairly smoothly ,but not as smoothly as a Minitrains loco!, and occasionially would not start without help when it had been stopped. I experienced derailments of the rear pony truck a few times which is a bit concerning more on this later. Tested Yeo which was a lot more hesitant than Exe needed several pokes to restart it it showed the same pony truck derailments AND would not run in reverse over Peco 18" radius points ( However this was found to be due to the rear cowcatcher being incorrectly positioned, this was rectified ( BUT be careful they are fragile!) I have a theory re the pony derailments: the power is collected from the wheels by spring brass strips pressing in the top of the wheel tread I think this is inhibiting the ability of the pony truck to swing ( ie follow the track) and thus derail, I could be wrong but I will continue to look at this problem I would add here that the layout I am using regularly has Minitrains 2-6-2 & 0-8-0 locos and Roco H0e locos which run perfectly so the track appears to be OK I shall try to give the locos some running in time ASAP and see how they go, I sincerely hope they improve otherwise TAW may get cancelled!! Incidentally I found a small slotted head black screw loose in the box which Yeo came in, I cannot see any screws missing from loco (yet) Edited June 13, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Don't Panic! Just picked up Exe off the track and one of the valve gear covers fell off!! These appear to be just a push on fit with a couple of little lugs into corresponding holes! Edited June 13, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted June 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2017 I had an opportunity to see one of these run a few days ago and my initial impression was that it was a little stiff and and noisy, certainly nothing like the silent silkiness of a modern Bachmann N mechanism. Perhaps they just need some good running-in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I had an opportunity to see one of these run a few days ago and my initial impression was that it was a little stiff and and noisy, certainly nothing like the silent silkiness of a modern Bachmann N mechanism. Perhaps they just need some good running-in. You have hit the nail on the head, I was ' playing ' with some brand new Farish N Gauge locos the other day, actually fitting some decoders, but I never fail to be amazed as to how good the running qualities are on these straight out of the box.. The L&B locos I have are definitely stiff and a little noisy in fact much more so than Minitrains locos, we shall see what running in does for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 For those interested I have added a couple of pics to compare the size of an L&B loco with a Minitrains 0-8-0 Brigadelok. obviously there are 2 different scales here, but I thought it may be of interest to Freelance 00-9 ers!! By the way the actual weight of the L&B loco is 139 gms ( not 180gms as I stated earlier) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) I have carried out some additional testing of the 2 locos, and I am still experiencing derailments caused by the pony trucks leaving the rails ( mostly the rear one) I am becoming more convinced that the power pickup arrangement for the ponies is contributing to the problem, I cannot recall ever seeing the arrangement used with locos ie fixed brass springy pickups bearing on the top of an UNPOWERED wheel set which has horizontal movement. I have had locos with power collecting bogies/ponies in the past but the arrangement has been to fix the collecting strip to the actual frame of the pony so it moves with it. I think the Heljan arrangement is inhibiting the pony from moving horizontally when travelling from a curved section to a straight section of track and thus causing to to derail. In order to check this out I will later today remove the ponies on 1 loco to see what happens.** see edit Just to recap the fault occurs with both my locos, Other locos ( Roco & Mintrains) run fine on the layout and I have tested the running of a Farish N Gauge 2-6-4T and a 4-6-2 ( At breakneck speeds occasionally) to make sure that their ponies etc do not derail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT..**......I have now tested one loco YEO removed the pony trucks, it ran smoothly, no derailments no problems with power pickup at low speeds or when passing over pointwork, so I reckon the loco would perform fine without the additional pony pickups I am not taking this any further though at the moment until more feedback and others experiences are posted. Incidentally the wheel base of the L&B locos is around 4mm longer tham the Minitrains 0-8-0. Should have noted by wheel base I am referring to the driving wheel base not the overall wheel base!! Edited June 13, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 For those interested I have added a couple of pics to compare the size of an L&B loco with a Minitrains 0-8-0 Brigadelok. obviously there are 2 different scales here, but I thought it may be of interest to Freelance 00-9 ers!! By the way the actual weight of the L&B loco is 139 gms ( not 180gms as I stated earlier) From what I remember when it was discussed on NGRM the Brigadelok was found to be much closer to OO scale than HO and that photo rather confirms it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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