Stevelewis Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Looking around at other retailers this rrp price seems to be the going rate, the discounted prices being offered have disappeared. Good for the retailers if they can shift the stock at that price but unfortunately for me it's a stretch too far :-( Oh well, lots of new other goodies coming soon that have now become a little more affordable as a result of reallocating the £145 I had earmarked for the L&B loco! Cheers, Keith Derails website still shows £143, but it is poss they may have earmarked all their allocation by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Looking around at other retailers this rrp price seems to be the going rate, the discounted prices being offered have disappeared. Being quite involved my self in the retail trade I can appreciate why Hattons have increased the price to the RRP, if there is demand for a product be it a model train or a can of Beer then it makes sense to make as much profit as possible, being profitable for a retailer is a hedge against times when things may not be so good. Given that one of the three Manning Wardles is fully subscribed on Hattons site indicates that there is demand for the models. Given the above, which seem to be reasonable assessments of the situation, ….. Its so that Christine Hatton can buy some more designer handbags! Isn't this a rather unnecessarily personal, even infantile comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted March 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Isn't this a rather unnecessarily personal, even infantile comment? Fair comment. Knuckles rapped. (Although I don't think Hattons will say no to my cash!) Edited March 30, 2017 by Captainalbino Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Fair comment. Knuckles rapped. (Although I don't think Hattons will say no to my cash!) OK - I'd agree with your bit in brackets! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Looking around at other retailers this rrp price seems to be the going rate, the discounted prices being offered have disappeared. Good for the retailers if they can shift the stock at that price but unfortunately for me it's a stretch too far :-( Oh well, lots of new other goodies coming soon that have now become a little more affordable as a result of reallocating the £145 I had earmarked for the L&B loco! Cheers, Keith Maybe Bachmann's Baldwin 4-6-0T which looks very attractive and currently pre sell around £123, ( one version apparently has a working headlight as well) Minitrains Ns2f diesel just arriving now as well Gaugemaster £115, possibly less expensive at other retailers and 009 socy members get a good discount also! Edited March 31, 2017 by Stevelewis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Stupidly cancelled my pre order with hattons at the exact same time that they changed the price (decided I wanted Exe, not Taw). However, Bure Valley models have all three engines available for reservation at £145, and when I called them earlier they told me that the price was guaranteed. Plus you get to support the Bure Valley Railway into the bargain and their P&P is cheaper than what I chose at Hattons (£5). Overall I'm paying the same price, which is brilliant For those interested, the phone number to reserve one is 01263 733 858 Edited March 31, 2017 by Edge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Looking around at other retailers this rrp price seems to be the going rate, the discounted prices being offered have disappeared. Good for the retailers if they can shift the stock at that price but unfortunately for me it's a stretch too far :-( Oh well, lots of new other goodies coming soon that have now become a little more affordable as a result of reallocating the £145 I had earmarked for the L&B loco! Cheers, Keith Is anyone surprised the price has risen, not me as it was on the cards for months. Why? Brexit, the value of the pound falling, rising production costs in China and the rise in oil prices. Added to that we also have the situation being forecast about wages not keeping up with inflation. Cardboard modeling here we come. Some manufacturers are starting to cancel projects others are putting their prices up in line with their costs. RTR is never going to be cheap again, prices are going to continue in an upward spiral. Oh I forgot, in 2 years time we could be paying import tariffs on Heljan products Sorry to be the voice of doom and gloom but at least the sun has come out down here in the south. Loconuts This has been the discussion across many sites on the RMWeb for a couple of years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted March 31, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2017 Is anyone surprised the price has risen, not me as it was on the cards for months. Why? Brexit, the value of the pound falling, rising production costs in China and the rise in oil prices. Added to that we also have the situation being forecast about wages not keeping up with inflation. Cardboard modeling here we come. Some manufacturers are starting to cancel projects others are putting their prices up in line with their costs. RTR is never going to be cheap again, prices are going to continue in an upward spiral. Oh I forgot, in 2 years time we could be paying import tariffs on Heljan products Sorry to be the voice of doom and gloom but at least the sun has come out down here in the south. Loconuts This has been the discussion across many sites on the RMWeb for a couple of years The RRP has not changed for this model, what has (just) changed is the retailers decision (in most cases) to price at RRP! all the best, Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) I have to agree with Tractionman the RRP remains the same as when it was first announced, Hattons have revised their pre -sell price, as I stated earlier they cant be blamed for trying to make a profit. However I feel that this increase may perhaps make buyers look twice now at prices being offered on this item ( and others) and check out other retailers. The only cloud on the horizon apart from delivery is whether retailers are going to receive their full ordered consignement, The retailer from whom I have ordered my 2-6-2s from has now presold all his initial order!! Derails are also showing sold out on their website Parkside Dundas were advertising them for £170 in the 00-9 socy mag recently Edited March 31, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2017 On NGRM someone's talked to Hattons who have told them they are in the UK and expected in the shop next week. Probably to coincide with the aforementioned Heljan announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) Interesting if they are in the UK why would Heljan advise me that they ( Heljan staff) are in China and that the production 'looks very good' ? also mentioned previously that the retailer I usually order from and who has my pre orders, tells me that no pre advice of delivery has been recvd from Heljan yet ( this usually occurs a couple of weeks before actual delivery) Edited April 1, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2017 Unless someone has got it wrong at a shop but who knows until they are in stock. Pre order prices are being honoured though they say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Unless someone has got it wrong at a shop but who knows until they are in stock. Pre order prices are being honoured though they say. What is strange re the Hattons statement is that Heljan distribute from Denmark to their UK customers, so for Hattons to apparently say they are in the UK begs the question where in the UK are they, it would not make commercial sense to delay actual selling as these days the quicker income cane be generated the better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 The RRP has not changed for this model, what has (just) changed is the retailers decision (in most cases) to price at RRP! all the best, Keith I did not suggest that Heljan has put the price up, however it looks as though they have slashed their discounts to the retailers. Loconuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I did not suggest that Heljan has put the price up, however it looks as though they have slashed their discounts to the retailers. Loconuts Have you any firm evidence of reduced discounts to retailers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) What is strange re the Hattons statement is that Heljan distribute from Denmark to their UK customers, so for Hattons to apparently say they are in the UK begs the question where in the UK are they, it would not make commercial sense to delay actual selling as these days the quicker income cane be generated the better! I read that there is a tie up with Peco for this model, due to their range of 009 L&B stock and that Peco will be wholesaling some of the stock, presumably to retailers who do not have Heljan trade accounts. So it could be that some of the Manning Wardles will be sent to Peco, from Heljan in Denmark, for distribution to some retailers Edited April 2, 2017 by rembrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) The background to who will distribute, sell or retail any model item often remains cloaked as a commercial confidence, and jumping the gun on prices is a bit early. Generally UK prices on comparable products from China to the UK and China to Europe/USA show the UK prices remain quite competitive. Everybody complains of price increases, but there are a lot of youngsters who have never lived with 25% inflation, that the UK has had at times. 10% increases at unpredictable times never stopped people buying models, the economic conditions to stop the hobby trade would be unlikely outside war conditions. It hurts that lots of common items are for sale cheaper in the US than the UK, but the Hobby trade is different, and prices will find their own level. Inflation is built in to modern economics, we get burst and slack periods, which added to the success of Chinese manufacture make prices very volatile nowadays. Only the final price over the counter is the real value, and that is up to you to seek the best deal, something that is relatively new to the UK. There are no retail manufacturers prices, just suggestions, and the only price is the trade price, which can vary due to deals. Personally I would say support your local shop, the profit is going into new stock, and service, but this is increasingly difficult as so much is only on pre-order, which many shops cannot take part in. Stock ordering is tailored to predicted demand, and has to balance the mail order per order and the shops stock, which Hornby singularly failed to do with the recent Peckett. Heljan have always been more careful, and 009 RTR is a risky investment, tempting them to make sure orders are short of leaving unsold stock. For what is being offered the Locos are worthwhile at whatever price they command, if this standard was being offered in Germany for this model, the price would be nearer £300 or more. I hope Hattons are able to honour the lower price for those who pre-ordered many months ago, but I suspect the net price will force many retailers to charge more. This sort of instability in prices is now the norm with the glut and famine ordering that has become the way of business with the FE., and prices are likely to climb for the foreseeable future. Stephen Edited April 2, 2017 by bertiedog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Perhaps a little premature to be comparing the 2-6-2T with German Narrow Gauge locos as only one running example has actually been seen as yet, however when I receive mine I will be able to test them against my Roco Engarths (0-8-0+TT) and Bemo 0-10-0 & 2-10-2 and see how they shape up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2017 Hopefully better out the box than my Tillig 2-10-2's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Hopefully better out the box than my Tillig 2-10-2's we are drifting off topic a little But this seems to be the thing with Tillig locos , you either get a good one or a bad one!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted April 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) we are drifting off topic a little But this seems to be the thing with Tillig locos , you either get a good one or a bad one!! Let's hope this also isn't the case for the Heljan 009 locos... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/89864-Heljan-gwr-1366-0-6-0-pannier-tank/?p=2614860 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/89864-Heljan-gwr-1366-0-6-0-pannier-tank/?p=2629080 Fingers crossed. Cheers, Keith Edited April 2, 2017 by tractionman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Let's hope this also isn't the case for the Heljan 009 locos... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/89864-Heljan-gwr-1366-0-6-0-pannier-tank/?p=2614860 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/89864-Heljan-gwr-1366-0-6-0-pannier-tank/?p=2629080 Fingers crossed. Cheers, Keith As a long time Heljan buyer of 0 & 00 gauge DIESELs I must count myself as a satisfied customer, but I do have that slight doubt re the 2-6-2s following the recent problems with Heljans UK outline STEAM locos. So hopefully we will find out soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I am a long term buyer of Heljan 0 & 00 locos ALL Diesels with which I have always been happy, but I have that slight concern with the 009 2-6-2T that it will be a good performer straight from the box so to speak and not have problems like the recent steam outline 00 locos had. As I have all 3 on order I have to be optimistic I suppose! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted April 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2017 I agree Steve, I've a fair few Heljan diesels in 00 and happy with all of them, the record for steam however is not quite as rosy, but let's hope all's well with the little locos! Cheers, Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Have you any firm evidence of reduced discounts to retailers? I think the evidence is in front of your nose. Bearing in mind this is a new venture for Heljan it is obvious they would want to cover all bases over these models and the 009 market is not as big as the 00 and 0 market. I personally believe that these locos are going to prove popular like the Hornby Pecket, even at the higher price. No matter what caused the price change we the consumer have two choices, purchase them at the higher price or not purchase them, the choice is yours. But if I was a betting man I think the former will happen with the models selling out in days. Loconuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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