RMweb Premium polybear Posted December 31, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hi all, I received a Bachmann Class 3MT 82005 in Western Region Lined Green late crest for chrimbo, which I am very pleased with. However, I normally concentrate my interests on ex. LNER/LMS regions, during the period late 50's to early 60's. The loco shows the shedcode 89C (W.R. Machylleth), which later became shedcode 6F (M.R.) on 9th Sept. 1963. So if I were to change the shed code on the loco to 6F will this justify my desire for only catering for LNER/LMS region locos, with no other changes to loco colour etc. being required? Mind you, the shed code number on the Bachmann model is so small you can only read it with a magnifying glass, so maybe I can live with it still reading 89C Thanks. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I can't answer the question about the actual shed code but you could do a small amount of weathering on the smoke box and just obscure the shed code numbers a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I recently serviced an old Triang one of these in lined green for a friend, he'd had it repainted to represent a Darlington example (I think) so there's at least one to go at. Rather less helpfully I can't remember the number, sorry. I'll ask him next time I see him if you haven't turned up the answer by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 82005 was at Machynlleth until April 1965 (apart from a one month spell at Shrewsbury in 1961). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted January 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2010 The green, both lined and unlined versions were WR allocated locomotives. I can't recall seeing any images of them off Western Region rails, though realistically they may have crossed occaisionally into local bordering Southern and Midland Regions. There are still IMTS rules though! At least 2 green 3MTs (82005/6) ended their careers on the Southern - they were sent from the WR to Nine Elms for Waterloo-Clapham ECS & station pilot work in the mid-60s. There were also some working on the S&D (mostly if not all in green) which could possibly have turned up on the SR in the Bournemouth area from time to time. The Darlington-allocated batch was 82020-29 IIRC, none of which ever carried green livery. Several of these also ended up on the SR, 82029 was one of the last 2 in traffic in July '67, the other being 82019. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartp Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Yes, even the limited research I've been able to do since my earlier post suggests my friend might have been applying the "it's my trainset" rules in this case. Apologies for getting the OP's hopes up ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steverabone Posted January 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2010 You most certainly can justify your green 2-6-2T on a LMR layout. As well as being "real Cambrian" locos they could also be seen at Bangor - I saw 82032/33 on Saturday 18th July 1964 - presumably they'd worked in from Afon Wen. In June and July 1965 I saw all of Patricroft's allocation working in and out of Manchester Exchange 82000/3/9/31/34. They were withdrawn in November and December 1966. I think they were mainly used on empty carriage workings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 In June and July 1965 I saw all of Patricroft's allocation working in and out of Manchester Exchange 82000/3/9/31/34. They were withdrawn in November and December 1966. I think they were mainly used on empty carriage workings. 82003 was one of many(of all classes) that never received the late BR emblem. 82020/1 were originally WR locos in lined green with 8" numerals, ended their days at Nine Elms 82022-5 were originally SR (72A) locos with 9" numerals, ended up at Nine Elms 82026 - 9 were originally NER locos with wider white lining, and 10" numerals, ended up at Nine Elms, 82029 was regarded as Nine Elms best free steamer of the class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Just out of interest, did the non-SR locos transferred there receive the extra lamp irons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Hi You could just change the lamp brackets to LM pattern ones and give it a different number and a good weathering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted January 2, 2010 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2010 82005 was at Machynlleth until April 1965 (apart from a one month spell at Shrewsbury in 1961). You most certainly can justify your green 2-6-2T on a LMR layout. As well as being "real Cambrian" locos they could also be seen at Bangor - I saw 82032/33 on Saturday 18th July 1964 - presumably they'd worked in from Afon Wen. In June and July 1965 I saw all of Patricroft's allocation working in and out of Manchester Exchange 82000/3/9/31/34. They were withdrawn in November and December 1966. I think they were mainly used on empty carriage workings. Many thanks for the replies. From the above responses (and bearing in mind Machynlleth was re-allocated to Midland Region shed code 6F in September 1963) would I be correct in thinking that my running of the loco isn't unreasonable? And does anyone know if the loco (82005) would have remained in WR Lined Green after the change to shed code 6F or if it was repainted in any way please? Many thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 82005 was still in lined green when it passed to the LMR - photo taken 11-9-63 at Machynlleth (p90 of BR Standard Steam in Close-Up Volume 1 Bradford Barton) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Just out of interest, did the non-SR locos transferred there receive the extra lamp irons? Don't think so, as their move was only looked on as short term, for which it prooved for all but 82006 which lasted for 15 months as apposed to 5 for all the rest (82005,20,21,& 33).They all remained in green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2010 Don't think so, as their move was only looked on as short term, for which it prooved for all but 82006 which lasted for 15 months as apposed to 5 for all the rest (82005,20,21,& 33).They all remained in green. There is at least one documented example (but sorry, can't remember which one) of a loco with both WR and SR lamp brackets fitted. Not sure if it was an 82XXX, but it certainly looked odd. Will provide the reference if I can remember which book I saw it in... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2010 Don't think so, as their move was only looked on as short term, for which it prooved for all but 82006 which lasted for 15 months as apposed to 5 for all the rest (82005,20,21,& 33).They all remained in green. The Southern Email Group has pictures of the Standard 3MTs which include 82005, 82028 and 82029, all transfers in to the SR. All have extra lamp irons fitted and it would be reasonable to infer from this that all transfers to the SR would have had the extra 2 irons fitted, front and back. http://www.semgonline.com/steam/std3t_01.html See also this picture of 82006 on Southern Images, also with extra lamp irons (and in use!): Southern Images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 A couple of pictures of 82004, recently outshopped after an identity and allocation change and some general 'titivating'. A good measure of weathering is now called for !! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted January 3, 2010 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2010 82005 was still in lined green when it passed to the LMR - photo taken 11-9-63 at Machynlleth (p90 of BR Standard Steam in Close-Up Volume 1 Bradford Barton) Don't think so, as their move was only looked on as short term, for which it prooved for all but 82006 which lasted for 15 months as apposed to 5 for all the rest (82005,20,21,& 33).They all remained in green. Bingo! Many thanks - problem solved! My other option would've been to exchange the loco for a BR Black version, but only early crest is available at the moment. Besides, I quite like the Lined Green and don't like the idea of a swap as it was a special Christmas prezzie. But now I feel justified that it wouldn't look out of place on a LMR layout in it's current livery. The shed code may be a bit iffy (but no doubt there were plenty of examples of drivers still using the old codes even after a change) so I'm not too bothered about that. Besides, the code needs a magnifier to be read anyway...... Many thanks. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted January 3, 2010 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2010 A couple of pictures of 82004, recently outshopped after an identity and allocation change and some general 'titivating'. Regards, John Isherwood. OK John, now I've seen that you've changed the shed code, please tell how you did it.... Thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 OK John, now I've seen that you've changed the shed code, please tell how you did it.... Thanks Brian .... well - I do produce transfers !! (But I don't offer loco renumbering / reallocation transfers for sale - everyone would want something different)! Regards, John Isherwood, cambridge Custom Transfers. http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted January 3, 2010 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hi John, How did you remove the existing shed code before fitting the new one? Thanks Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 The Southern Email Group has pictures of the Standard 3MTs which include 82005, 82028 and 82029, all transfers in to the SR. All have extra lamp irons fitted and it would be reasonable to infer from this that all transfers to the SR would have had the extra 2 irons fitted, front and back. http://www.semgonlin...m/std3t_01.html See also this picture of 82006 on Southern Images, also with extra lamp irons (and in use!): Southern Images There you go. I wasn't sure, hence saying only think so, but I like the pic of 82006 at Guildford, I took one of the same loco at Clapham J., but not good enough to print here!!, but it says Christmas 1964 ?? funny, it didn't move south 'till April '65 ps. Look closely at those semg pics, and note the numeral sizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruciethefish Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Modelmaster do sheets of waterslide shedcode transfers, which just cover up the existing ones, if thats any help.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hi John, How did you remove the existing shed code before fitting the new one? Thanks Brian With a cocktail stick and isopropyl alcohol - my preferred method of removing Bachmann markings. Place cocktail stick in pin chuck for better grip / control. Dip cocktail stick in IPA and apply to the first character / item to be erased and start rubbing, confining area of rubbing to the character itself as far as possible. Keep the area being treated and the end of the cocktail stick damp with IPA throughout the operation. When a build-up of dissolved paint occurs, a quick wipe with a tissue dampened (not wet !) with IPA will remove the residue. When all lettering elements / residue have been removed you will be left with a shiny patch. This is largely due to the removal of the satin varnish which Bachmann apply to the entire body. However, a gloss finish is required for the application of the new transfers. I prefer to apply Klear floor lacquer to unify the surface finish before applying the new transfers. In this case, that was all of the green painted areas. The front numberplate and shed plate were already glossy from the removal process. After the transfers had been applied and given 24 hours to dry, another coat of Klear was applied to the green areas to seal the transfers, and a local spot coat to seal the new number and shed plate markings. Before all of this I had previously fitted the detail pack; touched-in the unpainted black boiler / firebox pipes with green paint; ditto bufferbeam detail fittings with red; and 'titivated' areas likely to become quickly worn with a little track colour; (vacuum and steam pipes, buffer heads, coupling, access steps, etc.). The final act, after the renumbering, was to coal-up with real coal fixed with dilute PVA. When the weather is *much* improved I will do a proper weathering job with the airbrush. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidnutter Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hmmmm no lifting eyes on the front frames under the smokebox, hadn't noticed on mine. I think a small drill will do the trick. This is such a lovely model. I think i will be getting hold of a second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hmmmm no lifting eyes on the front frames under the smokebox,... .... and look at that worksplate - whoever screwed that on was a bit cock-eyed ! Now can I be a..ed to design and print a replacement plate transfer? Regards, John Isherwood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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