RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2018 Nice kitchen! I hope he doesnt have a cat that likes to jump up on the worktop... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I hope he doesnt have a cat that likes to jump up on the worktop... About 15 years ago, before I had a house and a layout, I would put a circle of track on the diner table to run the odd train from time to time. My sister and her 3/4 your daughter came over to see us. She was a Thomas fan, so I set up the track and a train, a pullman train on the table and set it running. My niece touched it, off it came, all my best pullmans. Some slight damage but my heart felt almost broken. It was fixed when Hornby did all new super detailed ones a year or so later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Look nice coaches Edited October 15, 2018 by NIRCLASS80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sorry if answered already but I have been following this thread and haven't seen it. Why does the buffet car in intercity Livery have intercity in italics while the TSO's do not? Is this prototypical to run these together. While I think about it would a blue/ grey FO run with a buffet car with the intercity in italics? Thanks Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sorry if answered already but I have been following this thread and haven't seen it. Why does the buffet car in intercity Livery have intercity in italics while the TSO's do not? Is this prototypical to run these together. While I think about it would a blue/ grey FO run with a buffet car with the intercity in italics? Thanks Mark Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sorry if answered already but I have been following this thread and haven't seen it. Why does the buffet car in intercity Livery have intercity in italics while the TSO's do not? Is this prototypical to run these together. While I think about it would a blue/ grey FO run with a buffet car with the intercity in italics? Thanks Mark The Italics livery came in slightly later. The original Intercity Executive livery would have been about 1983/84 and the italics (Swallow livery) would have been from about 1987. The RFB buffet coaches were only converted after the italics livery was introduced. The other coaches would have operated in both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 That was quick thanks for the replies guys. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Blue/ grey buffet car now in stock at kernow. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Having just received and inspected the TSO version in Executive Intercity, I have to say I have mixed opinions. The overall model shape and interpretation seems to be spot on and the level of detail is good, however there seem to be some model design/manufacturing issues. 1. The floor is visible below the sides. There is a floor edge over more than half of my sample. Not as much as the Hornby Mk2Es but not flush like the Bachmann Mk2As. 2. There is a ripple effect at the top middle of each passenger compartment window. This causes a light halo effect in the middle of the window similar to a prism breaking up light. 3. The roof has two noticeable circular moulding depressions, on the centre line of the roof about 5cm in from each end. This is presumably caused by an internal part of the roof moulding that extends inwards. Again nothing like this occurred on the Mk2As. This is more noticeable as the roof is smooth and has a sheen finish. Edited October 16, 2018 by rembrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Sounds like someone slipped a Hornby 2e into your box Rembrow! Any chance of some photo's showing these faults? - I presume you've not seen the FO or RFM as neither came with any of these faults and the TSO on the Hatton's website doesn't show them either so it does seem like you've been sold a faulty model slipped into the supply chain in error. Back to the dealer with that one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Having just received and inspected the TSO version in Executive Intercity, I have to say I have mixed opinions. The overall model shape and interpretation seems to be spot on and the level of detail is good, however there seem to be some model design/manufacturing issues. 1. The floor is visible below the sides. There is a floor edge over more than half of my sample. Not as much as the Hornby Mk2Es but not flush like the Bachmann Mk2As. 2. There is a ripple effect at the top middle of each passenger compartment window. This causes a light halo effect in the middle of the window similar to a prism breaking up light. 3. The roof has two noticeable circular moulding depressions, on the centre line of the roof about 5cm in from each end. This is presumably caused by an internal part of the roof moulding that extends inwards. Again nothing like this occurred on the Mk2As. This is more noticeable as the roof is smooth and has a sheen finish. Like you, the interpretation is excellent and they look fantastic in the dark with lights on. The only real downer for me is the thickness of the glazing which is also slightly recessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Sounds like someone slipped a Hornby 2e into your box Rembrow! Any chance of some photo's showing these faults? - I presume you've not seen the FO or RFM as neither came with any of these faults and the TSO on the Hatton's website doesn't show them either so it does seem like you've been sold a faulty model slipped into the supply chain in error. Back to the dealer with that one! maybe it was bought on ebay and some pond life has slipped in a 2E into a Bachmann box and then charged 2F money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Sounds like someone slipped a Hornby 2e into your box Rembrow! Any chance of some photo's showing these faults? - I presume you've not seen the FO or RFM as neither came with any of these faults and the TSO on the Hatton's website doesn't show them either so it does seem like you've been sold a faulty model slipped into the supply chain in error. Back to the dealer with that one! Hi, hopefully the attached two photos will show the floor and roof issue. The floor edge was difficult to photo, to ensure it wasn't showing part of the flat floor, hopefully this is accurate. The edge of the floor showing is less than a 1mm and is over the middle part of the coach, but is still there and not as good as the coach side to floor joint achieved on the Mk2As. The roof moulding issue, shows one end where the mould imperfection is raised. The other end has the imperfection slightly depressed and was impossible to photo with my cheap camera. I cannot get the window halo effect on camera, it appears when the side is lit by natural light and was ok yesterday evening in artificial light. I'm wondering if it is an optical effect of a slight ripple at the top middle of the windows which magnifies a reflection of the circular no smoking signs, causing a rainbow colour circular mirage at the top of the window, in certain light conditions. Still overall happy with the coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) Thanks for doing that Rembrow - it looks like a production / assembly issue on those two faults at least (the bumps are roughly? where the pillars for securing the roof mounted PCB are on the DCC version) as they don't appear on others I've seen so far - are you sending them back for replacement? Edited October 17, 2018 by Bob Reid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) Thanks for doing that Rembrow - it looks like a production / assembly issue on those two faults at least (the bumps are roughly? where the pillars for securing the roof mounted PCB are on the DCC version) as they don't appear on others I've seen so far - are you sending them back for replacement? I've got a second TSO on order from a different retailer so will wait until that arrives to see if these are general issues on the production run, before deciding about return. Edited October 17, 2018 by rembrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 would think the rooves are all the same with the mountings inside should that roof happen to go into a DCC coach. hopefully a one off - not up to the usual Bachmann quality that. the windows and the tiny bit of floor I am less bothered about/ or cant see the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) Hi, hopefully the attached two photos will show the floor and roof issue. The floor edge was difficult to photo, to ensure it wasn't showing part of the flat floor, hopefully this is accurate. The edge of the floor showing is less than a 1mm and is over the middle part of the coach, but is still there and not as good as the coach side to floor joint achieved on the Mk2As. The roof moulding issue, shows one end where the mould imperfection is raised. The other end has the imperfection slightly depressed and was impossible to photo with my cheap camera. I cannot get the window halo effect on camera, it appears when the side is lit by natural light and was ok yesterday evening in artificial light. I'm wondering if it is an optical effect of a slight ripple at the top middle of the windows which magnifies a reflection of the circular no smoking signs, causing a rainbow colour circular mirage at the top of the window, in certain light conditions. Still overall happy with the coach. I've checked my rake of 5 (DCC) and they all have that tiny bump in the roof and the floor issue. I have to say though that I wouldn't have noticed it if hadn't of been pointed out. Edited October 18, 2018 by gazwire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 My rake of Intercity TSO, non dcc ones also have the roof issue.... To put this into perspective, I wouldn’t have noticed, like gazwire if someone didn’t point it out, and you have to angle the coach to get the light reflecting at the right angle and search the roof to locate the issue. I don’t have any of the other coaches as yet to check. As for the windows and floor issue, I can’t see them with the naked eye (not saying they are not there), so they are still nice coaches, just a tad expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 It looks a fairly large lump in the roof to me. I haven’t looked at one in the flesh but I'm now beginning to understand the comments on the glazing. Thanks for sharing the photos! Cheers Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 19, 2018 Oh dear. I hope the blue and grey TSO’s will not be similarly affected. My fingers are crossed that they will not be. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 hopefully one of the guys from Bachmann will advise andy york in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 The glazing reminds me of my gran’s glasses- thick lenses, but the other issues are really not noticable in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Walker Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Oh dear. I hope the blue and grey TSO’s will not be similarly affected. My fingers are crossed that they will not be. Rob. I've got both blue/grey and intercity coaches and have compared both. I think it's the black roof that highlights the problem, as it doesn't show on the blue/grey version. As for the floor and glazing problems, the coaches I have don't have this, so not sure why this appears to be an issue. Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2018 I've got both blue/grey and intercity coaches But are they both TSOs? It seems the Blue/Grey FO doesn’t have these issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Walker Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 But are they both TSOs? It seems the Blue/Grey FO doesn’t have these issues. Andrew, The blue/grey are the FO and the intercity are TSO. Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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