JSpencer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 That’s interesting that the First Opens are out of stock.... that suggests the retailers think they will sell them.... down side for me, is that my plans were to pick a few up at a time over a couple of months to avoid the big hit on the credit card.... might need to change my plans! As said elsewhere, maybe Bachmann now make just to match shop pre-orders. I would not worry about the credit card hit, release is likely to drag across a couple of months anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Got my FO today, this is some bit of kit, however I,ll be running mine alongside 2Es. Bachmann's blue is considerably lighter than Hornby's but the grey band hight differences are not really jarring although the sole bars on the 2E are noticeable, but being black probably not that noticeable when running. I,ve identified 3 of my DCC fitted locos as suitable candidates to pull them : class 40, class 47 and class 50. My Deltic is in 60s green so not apt. I,ve been looking at pictures of Westerns but as far as I can tell, they never worked air cons. A couple of pics : 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Class 40's? - the loco's working them need to be ETH fitted - at least in passenger service they do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2018 Whilst I completely agree that is the general rule for class 40s, it did happen on more than a few occassions, especially with the Blackpool services https://flic.kr/p/fWCrnZ https://flic.kr/p/YZSTwG https://flic.kr/p/9nn9fQ https://flic.kr/p/7DPvxm There was even one occasion where a class member took a Mk3 set over the S&C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Could they have ever picked a more inappropriate look to work that diagram? Oh I'm sure they could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted October 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2018 Whilst I completely agree that is the general rule for class 40s, it did happen on more than a few occassions, especially with the Blackpool services https://flic.kr/p/fWCrnZ https://flic.kr/p/YZSTwG https://flic.kr/p/9nn9fQ https://flic.kr/p/7DPvxm There was even one occasion where a class member took a Mk3 set over the S&C I had 40150 on A/C Mk2s from Preston to Blackpool N on 19/8/84, a very warm day. Passengers were wedging the sliding doors to the vestibules open with luggage, to get air flow from the droplights, and the guard was trying to shut them, moaning that the A/C wouldn't work with them open. He was roundly derided by the large number of "bashers" onboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James90012 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Got my FO today, this is some bit of kit, however I,ll be running mine alongside 2Es. Bachmann's blue is considerably lighter than Hornby's but the grey band hight differences are not really jarring although the sole bars on the 2E are noticeable, but being black probably not that noticeable when running. I,ve identified 3 of my DCC fitted locos as suitable candidates to pull them : class 40, class 47 and class 50. My Deltic is in 60s green so not apt. I,ve been looking at pictures of Westerns but as far as I can tell, they never worked air cons. A couple of pics :image.jpg image.jpg Interesting comparison thanks. Would appreciate a similar comparison between the Bachmann RFB and the Intercity MK2es from Hornby in due course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Why would it be any different? also see these comparisons by Brian Kirby http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69220-Bachmann-announce-mk2fs/?p=3315321 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James90012 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Why would it be any different? also see these comparisons by Brian Kirby http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69220-Bachmann-announce-mk2fs/?p=3315321 To clarify I was referring to the IC Swallow RFB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2018 Got my FO today, this is some bit of kit, however I,ll be running mine alongside 2Es. Bachmann's blue is considerably lighter than Hornby's but the grey band hight differences are not really jarring although the sole bars on the 2E are noticeable, but being black probably not that noticeable when running. I,ve identified 3 of my DCC fitted locos as suitable candidates to pull them : class 40, class 47 and class 50. My Deltic is in 60s green so not apt. I,ve been looking at pictures of Westerns but as far as I can tell, they never worked air cons. A couple of pics :image.jpg image.jpg Thanks for the comparison. I agree that the different blue and cream colours are not too jarring (Bachmann's I think are slightly better though). What jars most is Hornby's canary yellow first class band, which frankly looks awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 is the hronby mk2e put together the same way as these mk2f's with the body being lift off complete with roof? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Yes ToF - just the same a one piece body that clips onto the underframe moulding... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 great crisp photos in this months Railway Modeller of the IC executive livery (no CDL fitted) Mk2f BSO including some great shots in the dark showing the fine mesh over the brake area windows and the interiors red tables and seats. They commented that the shade of LED Bachmann have used for the lighting is very realistic. Fine coaches indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2018 Thanks for the comparison. I agree that the different blue and cream colours are not too jarring (Bachmann's I think are slightly better though). What jars most is Hornby's canary yellow first class band, which frankly looks awful. Is the Hornby yellow right for some eras though? The yellow today is pretty similar to warning panel yellow, which did change, around 1984 if I recall correctly? The reason I say this I have just pulled out a few books to look at photos from an earlier period and certainly the yellow band on many early photos seems to be more of a less orange yellow, again in keeping with earlier warning panels. In front of me now is Diesels in Wessex and on page 10 there is a Mark 1 being pulled by a Class 33 and West Country, the yellow looking a good match with Hornby's yellow. As another, look at the photo of a Class 124 on this page: https://www.branchline.uk/pastevent-alt.php?eventid=92 Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Could they have ever picked a more inappropriate look to work that diagram? Oh I'm sure they could. Yes I'm sure they could - this one for instance! A non-boilered, non-eth 40 on Mk2fs in February....1983 An evil day for weather.... by chris, on Flickr Edited October 12, 2018 by stovepipe 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 How's that for bad traction allocation when the only resources were that! .... the only heat outside of the engine compartment would have been coming from the pie heater or huddled round the Still's boiler in the Buffet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 great photo that. you wouldnt want the 40 to fail out there though....brass monkey territory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Where is the BRRRRRR button? My next layout is planned to be snow and hey, it fits! Edited October 12, 2018 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) My Mk2f RFB and TSOs arrived today. Here's a picture of the RFB between two Hornby (Lima tooling?) Mk3 SLEs. I also took a picture of half my sleeper train laid out in the kitchen; maybe one day I'll build a layout that can accommodate it! Cheers Rick My Mk2f RFB and TSOs arrived today. Here's a picture of the RFB between two Hornby (Lima tooling?) Mk3 SLEs. I also took a picture of half my sleeper train laid out in the kitchen; maybe one day I'll build a layout that can accommodate it! Cheers Rick Edited October 13, 2018 by Rick_Skateboard 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2018 Really like the look of these now I've read the reviews, these posts and seen some in the flesh. Thinking of a Blue/Grey set and spent the day googling but am non the wiser as to what would constitute a typical rake and in what formation? From what I gather, the Buffet is the current preserved version so wouldn't suit a 1980's rake. I could use a Mk1 or Mk 3 but would then need to add lights etc. Strange that the inter city buffet will also be CDL fitted, when the other coaches aren't. If the coaches are in Exec livery, then will there really be a market for a future Swallow branded livery?. I'm guessing Virgin might be next and possibly some DRS / Anglia appearing as Collectors Club models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Really like the look of these now I've read the reviews, these posts and seen some in the flesh. Thinking of a Blue/Grey set and spent the day googling but am non the wiser as to what would constitute a typical rake and in what formation? From what I gather, the Buffet is the current preserved version so wouldn't suit a 1980's rake. I could use a Mk1 or Mk 3 but would then need to add lights etc. Strange that the inter city buffet will also be CDL fitted, when the other coaches aren't. If the coaches are in Exec livery, then will there really be a market for a future Swallow branded livery?. I'm guessing Virgin might be next and possibly some DRS / Anglia appearing as Collectors Club models. The Intercity Swallow livery buffet represents a small period (3years?) between conversion and fitting with CDLs. The blue grey one is in preserved condition, dining for a blue grey (service) rake should be with mk1s, likewise for an Intercity executive rake. I think I am right in saying that by the time of conversion Intercity executive livery would be scarce (if any) Model looks amazing, and if it had been CDL fitted i would have bought one. in the end I came across some cheap Hornby 2e coaches one of which will be converted with some 2F underframe bits in my scrap box and filled in windows. It can be fitted with CDL lights with the rest of the rake and meant i got 3 coaches for the price I’d have paid Bachmann Edited October 13, 2018 by The Fatadder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Given Bachmann will almost certainly want to issue a release with CDL working lamps for the DCC equipped range I do expect a Swallow version to emerge at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2018 Given Bachmann will almost certainly want to issue a release with CDL working lamps for the DCC equipped range I do expect a Swallow version to emerge at some point.I’m sure it will, and given some sense (and the fact they did the 47/8 this year) I expect to see Virgin 2Fs follow as well. Just for me I would rather do a little modelling and get what I want now 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Skateboard Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 My Mk2f RFB and TSOs arrived today. Here's a picture of the RFB between two Hornby (Lima tooling?) Mk3 SLEs. I also took a picture of half my sleeper train laid out in the kitchen; maybe one day I'll build a layout that can accommodate it! Cheers Rick 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 My Mk2f RFB and TSOs arrived today. Here's a picture of the RFB between two Hornby (Lima tooling?) Mk3 SLEs. I also took a picture of half my sleeper train laid out in the kitchen; maybe one day I'll build a layout that can accommodate it! Cheers Rick Nice kitchen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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