coachmann Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Interesting to see Compound 1168 in unlined livery. Who would have thought then that it would be the last one to be officially withdrawn although it had been in store at Monument Lane. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 14, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2013 For this evening's batch we are moving to just south of the village of Normanton on Soar (north of Loughborough) on the Midland main line. There is also one taken at Colwick, one at Loughborough with the Brush works behind and one more in Manchester. Note the sophisticated clothing of the track gang. Normanton on Soar track gang c1952 JVol2209 Normanton on Soar Crab 42771 up goods c1952JVol2210 Loughborough Midland Jubliee 45667 Jellicoe down ex pass c1952 JVol2211 Normanton on Soar Ivatt Class 2MT 46502 up pass Nottingham to Leicester c1952 JVol2212 Colwick 4F 44158 up coal c1952 JVol2213 Manchester London Road Fowler Class 4MTT 42386 le c1954 JVol2214 Normanton on Soar 8F 48553 up coal c1952 JVol2215 Normanton on Soar J39 64723 up coal c1952 JVol2216 I wonder what this was doing on the Midland David 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyrush Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 64723 was a Spital Bridge loco from September 1956, so this will be a Toton - Peterborough East service (not just coal - I wonder what was in the numerous sheeted low sided wagons). Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2013 Modellers of the steam age should take due note of the appalling state of the lineside - no undergrowth or overhanging trees in sight, clean cess paths; what was the railway up to back then? 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Like I said earlier............no class 66 to keep things in order. Terrible thing that "old railway" with its tidiness, vast amount of traffic and variety, isn't it good that we threw it all away? Modellers of the steam age should take due note of the appalling state of the lineside - no undergrowth or overhanging trees in sight, clean cess paths; what was the railway up to back then? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted April 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2013 Modellers of the steam age should take due note of the appalling state of the lineside - no undergrowth or overhanging trees in sight, clean cess paths; what was the railway up to back then? Don't go too OTT!! I am sure I saw a bit of litter in one of the photos! You make a very good point there. How many modellers have the discipline to model "neat and tidy"? The other thing that stands out for me is the variation in the tones of the ballast, where sections have been attended to by the P. Way people. Many model layouts seem to have the track all the same colour and it just wasn't very often like that. There just isn't one "track colour". 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) Don't go too OTT!! I am sure I saw a bit of litter in one of the photos! You make a very good point there. How many modellers have the discipline to model "neat and tidy"? The other thing that stands out for me is the variation in the tones of the ballast, where sections have been attended to by the P. Way people. Many model layouts seem to have the track all the same colour and it just wasn't very often like that. There just isn't one "track colour". Good running and drainage was labour intensive and 'neat & tidy' was taken for granted at one time when track gangs took pride in their particular patches. There was even an award for the 'Prize Length' in some parts of the country. I have seen whole lengths of track in one lovely rusty brown colour, not just in the 1950s but in the 1970s too, but as you say, there were areas where it just wasnt like that. Things seemed to be a lot more stable in the old days when ballast remained pretty well untouched when new bullhead rail replaced worn rails. The big upheaval came when flat bottom track arrived. Now of course it is usually long-welded stuff. The very nature of steam locos gave ballast an overall rusty quite quickly on busy lines. I'm far from being an expert on track matters and merely go off photos of the period I am modelling. Edited April 15, 2013 by coachmann 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 15, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) This afternoon we will stay at Normanton on Soar for a short while and then move closer to Nottingham. Once again all the photos were taken on Midland lines. Normanton on Soar 8F 48148 down goods c1952 JVol2217 Sneinton Junction Ivatt 4MT 43040 up goods c1952 JVol2218 Normanton on Soar Jubilee 45589 Gwalior down goods c1952 JVol2219 Normanton on Soar 8F down goods c1952 JVol2220 Normanton on Soar 4F down goods c1952 JVol2221. Nottingham London Road Junction Jubilee 45622 Nyasaland up ex pass c1952 JVol2222 Trowell Junction Jubilee up ex pass c1952 JVol2223 Trowell Junction Class 5 44346 down ex pass c1952 JVol2224 Edited to correct loco number. David Edited April 15, 2013 by DaveF 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Those shots of mineral trains have a much higher proportion of 16t steel minerals than I'd have expected during the period. The second 8F looks as though it's had the smokebox repainted to cover some burnt bits; shame they didn't clean the rest of it! Nice to see these photos, even if they predate me by some years.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Trowell Junction Class 5 44346 down ex pass c1952 JVol2224.jpg Trowell Junction Class 5 44346 down ex pass c1952 JVol2224 44846 - 44346 was a 4F. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 15, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2013 Interesting to see Compound 1168 in unlined livery. Who would have thought then that it would be the last one to be officially withdrawn although it had been in store at Monument Lane. Are you sure it is unlined? It is so filthy that there could be anything under that crud. If you blow the picture up you can see that the "British Railways" has been cleaned at some time but is still disappearing under the grime! Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 Are you sure it is unlined? It is so filthy that there could be anything under that crud. If you blow the picture up you can see that the "British Railways" has been cleaned at some time but is still disappearing under the grime! Keith Looks like they just cleaned enough to paint British Railways on it. There's probably the M of LMS still there under the crud in the middle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 15, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 44846 - 44346 was a 4F. Regards, John Isherwood. Many thanks, another of my typing errors. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 15, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) Are you sure it is unlined? It is so filthy that there could be anything under that crud. If you blow the picture up you can see that the "British Railways" has been cleaned at some time but is still disappearing under the grime! Keith Looking through the photos of dad's there are quite a lot where engines carrying "BRITISH RAILWAYS" in full appear to be unlined, even of classes which later carried the red and cream lining. I suspect that as many locos by the end of the war were plain black that early repaints just covered over the company initials and replaced them with the full lettering. At the time the railways still had a massive backlog of overhauls so an engine would not have been kept out of traffic for any longer than strictly necessary. Sadly there don't seem to be uge numbers of photos published of these very interesting years. Edited to ad a missing word David Edited April 15, 2013 by DaveF 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 15, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) This evening we are visiting a number of locations in and around Nottingham. I've had to think hard to work out where some of them were taken. Radford Nottingham goods yard in snow c1952 JVol2225 Rolleston Junction Compound and 2P 40535 pass Nottingham to Lincoln c1952 JVol2226 Wollaton Jubilee 45659 Drake down ex pass c1952 JVol2227 Linby LTSR 4-4-2T pass Nottingham to Worksop c1952 JVol2228 Ilkeston Junction MR seen from Bennerley Viaduct GN view north c1950 JVol2229 Radford Junction track relaying c1951 JVol2230 Trowell Junction Jubilee up ex pass c1952 JVol2232 Nottingham Midland Jubilee 45614 Leeward Islands down ex pass c1950 Note smokebox number plate JVol2233 David Edited April 21, 2013 by DaveF 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 What's that wagon behind the loco. in no. 2232? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 15, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 What's that wagon behind the loco. in no. 2232? I think they are milk tankers. I think the same train appears in Image 2223 a few posts back where they can be seem more clearly. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 15, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2013 In 2225, the second wagon from the right looks like a 10T LSWR van. Possibly either SR diag 1408 or 1409. I cannot make our whether it has a wooden or steel underframe, which would decide the case. They built 1000 of the two types and most survived into nationalisation. Photos of LSWR goods stock turn up in most unexpected places! I've had a look at both the original print and my high res scan. On the print I cannot really see much, the scan appears sharper. The tare appears to be 6-1? - ? as I cannot read the last figure. I can't quite make out the wagon number. There doesn't appear to be any sort of flange at the bottom of the solebar which I presume would be the case if it were steel, but again cannot be certain. The print is on a lustre paper which doesn't give quite as sharp an image as gloss. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 15, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 15, 2013 Looking through the photos of dad's there are quite a lot where engines carrying "BRITISH RAILWAYS" in full appear to be unlined, even of classes which later carried the red and cream lining. I suspect that as many locos by the end of the war were plain black that early repaints just covered over the company initials and replaced them with the full lettering. At the time the railways still had a massive backlog of overhauls so an engine would not have been kept out of traffic for any longer than strictly necessary. Sadly there don't seem to be uge numbers of photos published of these very interesting years. Edited to ad a missing word David I commented because of the latish date (1954) of that photo and wondered if had had an early "British Railways" era repaint then not cleaned since! I have a picture in a book of 41103 which had an early repaint into "British Railways" style and is fully lined, although a little dirty in 1950. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 16, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2013 I commented because of the latish date (1954) of that photo and wondered if had had an early "British Railways" era repaint then not cleaned since! I have a picture in a book of 41103 which had an early repaint into "British Railways" style and is fully lined, although a little dirty in 1950. Keith As you will have noticed the dates are all around the year I type, they could be a year or so either way as only some black and white photos are dated, I get most of the dates either from family photos taken on some of his trips, from other evidence in the photos or from Mum who at 88 still has an excellent memory. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 16, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) This afternoon's batch of photos. Once again they are a mixed batch of locations in and around Nottingham on the Midland Railway - except the Calverton Colliery line which was opened in BR days and the breakdown train which I think is at Colwick. Lenton North Junction 3F 3711 up parcels c1948 JVol2242 Nottingham Wilford Road 4F 44039 up goods c 1949 JVol2243 Nottingham Wilford Road 2P 40472 up ex pass and 3F 0-6-0T c1948 JVol2244 Grantham (probably) breakdown train c1949 JVol2245 Trowell Advance home Erewash Valley line c1949 JVol2246 Toton 4F down coal c1949 JVol2248 Market Harborough 8F down goods c1948 JVol2249 Does anyone know what the bell was for over the buffer stop? Also note the ex PO wagon and the wagon still lettered "LMS" in large letters. Loughborough Class 5 down goods c1949 JVol2250 David Edited April 17, 2013 by DaveF 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyewipe Jct Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Brilliant - no other word for it... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Was the bell perhaps intended to warn people using the barrow crossing (visible under the second wagon) of an approaching train? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 16, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2013 This evening's batch, once again we are in and around Nottingham. For those who looked in vain for the image of the Calverton Colliery line this afternoon it is in this post, I uploaded the Market Harbrough one by mistake earlier! Trent Junction Jubilee 45652 Hawke Manchester to St Pancras via Nottingham c1953 JVol2234 Calverton Colliery branch bridge over A606 near Burnt Stump c1951 JVol2235 Beeston Class 5 down pass Leicester to Nottingham from train c1952 JVol2236 Basford 3F up goods c1951 JVol2237 Radford 3F 43729 up pw train c1951 JVol2238 Nottingham Midland Jubilee 45652 Hawke ecs c1951 JVol2239 Bobbers Mill 8F 48675 up goods c1952 JVol2240 Lenton North Junction 2P 419 and Jubilee c1947 JVol2241 David 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 This afternoon's batch of photos. Once again they are a mixed batch of locations in and around Nottingham on the Midland Railway - except the Calverton Colliery line which was opened in BR days and the breakdown train which I think is at Colwick. Colwick perhaps breakdown train c1949 JVol2245.jpg Colwick (probably) breakdown train c1949 JVol2245 David Hi Dave, That breakdown train might be at Grantham. The shed building behind don't half look like the old shed at Grantham, which was still in existence at that time (great modelling wall detail for me if it is). There was an isolated siding on this side of the building; that would make the sidings in front of it those of the down goods loops. If this photo was taken from the station platform (platform 5) then the orientation of the buildings would 'fit', including the coaling tower beyond. Also, I suspect that a principal depot like Colwick would have somewhat more capable breakdown/recovery equipment than this rather ramshackle collection (even in 1949)! Despite its rather grand allocation, Grantham was only ever a district sub-shed. Keep 'em coming; the photos just seem to be getting better and better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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