RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2013 6113 - when Grantham was 'interesting'..... 6114 is interesting in that the train has arrived at what is the up platform, presumably because it will return to London after a short while? (The loco having gone on shed no doubt) 6115 is that the north end? Such superb detail in these pictures; I especially like the Nott'm Victoria shots. Modeller's heaven. I wonder if anyone has modelled Victoria; or will after seeing these? I certainly would be thinking about doing something with Bulwell or Basford if I had time and lots of money. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted June 19, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2013 This afternoon's are mainly on Midland Railway lines. Nottingham Victoria 2P Nottingham to Northampton and B1 Derby Friargate to Grantham May 52 JVol6134 Trowell Moor sidings May 52 JVol6137 Trowell Moor sidings May 52 JVol6138 I don't remember this location at all from my childhood in Nottingham. I'm assuming the caption is right unless anyone knows better! Trowell Junction 8F 48114 up mineral May 52 JVol6139 Trowell Junction 4F 43852 up mineral May 52 JVol6140 Trowell Junction 4F 44030 down goods May 52 JVol6141 Trowell Junction 8F 48209 up goods May 52 JVol6142 Cromford Class 5 44815 up pass Buxton to Derby June 52 JVol6143 David 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 It certainly is Trowell Moor David. The B6004 overbridge is behind us (now A6002) and the bridge in the foreground carried the line over the Nottingham Canal. We're at the summit of the line as it has climed out of the Leen Valley and will now drop down to the River Erewash. We're looking ENE in this view. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The reference to Trowell Moor sidings might relate to the old Trowell Moor Colliery, which was located just east of where the M1 now runs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 HI Any one notice the signal post in; Trowell Moor sidings May 52 JVol6137 Painted Black and white?. Darren01 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted June 19, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2013 Hardly any change over the years .. (The station site is in the distance, it's not covered by the camera I'm afraid) http://goo.gl/maps/bVVuU Here's the aerial view http://goo.gl/maps/U1a2f Many thanks for these links, though I don't really remember it from when Dad took the photos, even though I was there on the day. Earlier in this thread there is a photo of the same train from a different angle with me watching it. David I think JVol6123 maybe on the GN line at Linby, rather than the GC. ROB You are right, I should have known that. I had forgotten the Dido used the Gc and GN lines at different times of day. The Annesley Fireman site has a good bit on the Dido, including a 1953 WTT, link below. http://www.annesleyfireman.com/id8.html 6113 - when Grantham was 'interesting'..... 6114 is interesting in that the train has arrived at what is the up platform, presumably because it will return to London after a short while? (The loco having gone on shed no doubt) 6115 is that the north end? Such superb detail in these pictures; I especially like the Nott'm Victoria shots. Modeller's heaven. I wonder if anyone has modelled Victoria; or will after seeing these? I certainly would be thinking about doing something with Bulwell or Basford if I had time and lots of money. P I think that some down trains did terminate in the "up" platform at York, in those days there were fewer trains so at some times of day it would not cause a problem. It would mean a much easier and quicker exit for the passengers. 6115 and 6116 are at the north end of York, the locos have just gone over the crossover to allow trains from the west side of the station to access the line to Scarborough. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted June 19, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2013 It certainly is Trowell Moor David. The B6004 overbridge is behind us (now A6002) and the bridge in the foreground carried the line over the Nottingham Canal. We're at the summit of the line as it has climed out of the Leen Valley and will now drop down to the River Erewash. We're looking ENE in this view. Many thanks Peter, once again it's a long time ago - I've not lived in Nottingham since 1965 so have forgotten a lot of locations I knew when I was young and went out with Dad, though as he was trackside I would not have been with him at Trowell moor, I was only 2 years old! HI Any one notice the signal post in; Trowell Moor sidings May 52 JVol6137 Painted Black and white?. Darren01 I don't know the reason but the LMS painted distant signals with black and white horizontal striped posts. Apparently the LMS called them "isolated distant signals". It has been said it was to help drivers know where they were. Many were not in isolated places. I remember seeing them in the late 60s on the Settle and Carlisle. I've no idea if there was any other reason why they did it. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted June 19, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2013 This evening we are in and around Nottingham visiting Midland, Great Central and Great Northern lines. We are now in Volume 9, the last album of dad's photos. It's a continuation of his favourite photos and is quite small collection. Bagthorpe Junction O1 63872 up goods Jan 54 JVol7001 Basford WD 90453 down goods and O1 on GC in distance Jan 54 JVol7003 Basford WD 90453 down goods Jan 54 JVol7004 Basford N7 69628 pass Nottingham Victoria to Derby Friargate Jan 54 JVol7005 Nottingham London Road Junction Ivatt 2MT 46502 shunting pw train April 54 JVol7006 Nottingham London Road Junction 8F 48666 down goods and Ivatt 2MT pw train April 54 JVol7007 Nottingham London Road Junction unloading slepers April 54 JVol7013 Nottingham London Road Junction 8F 48666 down goods April 54 JVol7014 David 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The GC and the MR could feel as if they were thousands of miles apart. An excellent collection above David. Going back to Trowell Moor, David's view was of the early 1950s, this is from the mid 1980s. I wonder if someone has a view taken today? 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 JVol7007. Ahh, good old 8666; now there was an engine which went down fighting! 2nd August 1968, sat down between the rails at Rose Grove shed, blocking the entrance roads. You have to admire that sort of fighting spirit! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2013 I don't know the reason but the LMS painted distant signals with black and white horizontal striped posts. Apparently the LMS called them "isolated distant signals". It has been said it was to help drivers know where they were. Many were not in isolated places. I remember seeing them in the late 60s on the Settle and Carlisle. I've no idea if there was any other reason why they did it. The signal in the photo is referred to as an isolated striped post distant. The striped post was to improve the visibility of these important signals. The term isolated refers to the signal only carrying a distant arm, i.e it does not have a stop arm above it (this would be a combined signal). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 The GC and the MR could feel as if they were thousands of miles apart. An excellent collection above David. Going back to Trowell Moor, David's view was of the early 1950s, this is from the mid 1980s. I wonder if someone has a view taken today? No photo but a view I see regularly while eating my breakfast! Then out to face the passengers before Alfreton. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted June 20, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) We are looking at Nottingham, Manchester and London this afternoon. Nottingham London Road Junction 2P 40395 l e April 54 JVol7015 London Victoria West Country 34101 Hartland Victoria to Folkestone Harbour April 54 JVol7016 London Victoria Ivatt 2MTT 41276 pass Victoria to Tonbridge April 54 JVol7018 London Victoria Battle of Britain 34066 Spitfire l e April 54 JVol7019 London Victoria Merchant Navy 35027 Port Line Folkestone Harbour to Victoria April 54 JVol7020 Carrington B1 61188 pass Leicester Central to Sheffield Victoria May 54 JVol7021 Manchester London Road B1 61271 Mum and I seated on the way to Dublin June 54 JVol7022 Manchester London Road EM1 Class 76 26025 ex pass Cleethorpes to Manchester June 54 JVol7023 David Edited June 20, 2013 by DaveF 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted June 20, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Time now for today's second batch. Again a variety of locations. Manchester London Road pass Glossop to Manchester June 54 JVol7024 Manchester London Road Rebuilt Royal Scot 46169 The Boy Scout June 54 JVol7025 Nottingham Victoria Class 5 44912 Newcastle to Bournmouth June 54 JVol7030 Nottingham Victoria K2 61777 with parcels van Aug 54 JVol7031 Clocktower station Skegness miniature railway Sept 54 JVol7032 Trent Fairburn 4MTT 42182 pass Nottingham to Leicester Dec 54 JVol7033 Trent 8F 48466 down goods Dec 54JVol7036 London St Pancras Fowler 3MTT l e c1954 JVol7037 David Edited June 21, 2013 by DaveF 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 20, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2013 Just look at the gleam of the paintwork on the B1 in JVol7022. A litle water marking on the boiler but otherwise very shiny. (and No oil lamps present!) Keith PS Any Irish railway pictures? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted June 20, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2013 Just look at the gleam of the paintwork on the B1 in JVol7022. A litle water marking on the boiler but otherwise very shiny. (and No oil lamps present!) Keith PS Any Irish railway pictures? Sorry, no Irish ones at all. Dad's only visit to Ireland was for a family wedding in 1954, we went there by plane from Manchester (in a Dakota), stayed a night and then straight back! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Great pictures once again, these pictures are mainly fairly local to me so it's a bit of history trip for me! I also like looking at the pictures and thinking "I could re-create that train with this and this!" Edited June 20, 2013 by hornbyandbf3fan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45609 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) More nice pictures again David. Thanks for posting. One small correction for you. Photo vol7037 is a Fowler 3P 2-6-2T. The Fowler 4P 2-6-4T did not have the two coal rails around the bunker. Cheers....Morgan Edited June 20, 2013 by mlgilbert30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted June 20, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2013 More nice pictures again David. Thanks for posting. One small correction for you. Photo vol7037 is a Fowler 3P 2-6-2T. The Fowler 4P 2-6-4T did not have the two coal rails around the bunker. Cheers....Morgan I ought to know that - I have a Hornby Fowler 4MTT 2-6-4T on a shelf in my "office", I see it everyday.... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrg1 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Very impressed with the photographs of Nottingham Victoria-I only saw it after closure, just before demolition. I am sure that the wrong station was closed. Surmising that redundant lines were removed, and everything else diverted into Victoria, surely this would have been a more practical solution than developing Midland station-especially as the Victoria lines were segregated, and Victoria was orientated North/South? What revived my thinking on this was the tram system requirement for a new bridge over the Midland station-after the GCR one was demolished. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Very impressed with the photographs of Nottingham Victoria-I only saw it after closure, just before demolition. I am sure that the wrong station was closed. Surmising that redundant lines were removed, and everything else diverted into Victoria, surely this would have been a more practical solution than developing Midland station-especially as the Victoria lines were segregated, and Victoria was orientated North/South? What revived my thinking on this was the tram system requirement for a new bridge over the Midland station-after the GCR one was demolished. I have often considered this as well but the problem would be the lack of connections from the GC to other lines. You could get to Derby Friargate and Lincoln would be accessible by putting in the 'reverse' of the connection that was actually installed at Netherfield from the GN to the MR but other places would be very difficult to reach. If you accept the premise that one station had to close (which I don't, by the way) I think it is quite difficult to make a case for that station being Midland. ROB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 For the Ivatt tank at Victoria on a Tonbridge train above I wonder again about the headcode, which as it stands seems to be incorrect. Adding another disc to the left side of the smokebox door would make it a Victoria-Oxted-Hever-Tunbridge Wells West service which would make sense, and which could well have continued through to Tonbridge. The Maunsell Restriction 1 coach set 185 (BTK-TK-CK-BTK) would be most used on the Central Section and could get through the tunnel between Tunbridge Wells West and Central (Restriction 1 - 8ft 6in wide, but not as narrow as the Restriction 0 8ft 0in coaches for the Hastings line). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2013 For the Ivatt tank at Victoria on a Tonbridge train above I wonder again about the headcode, which as it stands seems to be incorrect. Adding another disc to the left side of the smokebox door would make it a Victoria-Oxted-Hever-Tunbridge Wells West service which would make sense, and which could well have continued through to Tonbridge. The Maunsell Restriction 1 coach set 185 (BTK-TK-CK-BTK) would be most used on the Central Section and could get through the tunnel between Tunbridge Wells West and Central (Restriction 1 - 8ft 6in wide, but not as narrow as the Restriction 0 8ft 0in coaches for the Hastings line). Your post made me look again at this pic - and of course it's in Vic Eastern, not Central! Could it have been ECS to Holborn? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted June 21, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2013 For the Ivatt tank at Victoria on a Tonbridge train above I wonder again about the headcode, which as it stands seems to be incorrect. Adding another disc to the left side of the smokebox door would make it a Victoria-Oxted-Hever-Tunbridge Wells West service which would make sense, and which could well have continued through to Tonbridge. The Maunsell Restriction 1 coach set 185 (BTK-TK-CK-BTK) would be most used on the Central Section and could get through the tunnel between Tunbridge Wells West and Central (Restriction 1 - 8ft 6in wide, but not as narrow as the Restriction 0 8ft 0in coaches for the Hastings line). Your post made me look again at this pic - and of course it's in Vic Eastern, not Central! Could it have been ECS to Holborn? I just wish I knew whether Dad had taken the details from station announcements, departures board or just what he thought at the time. Sadly we'll never know. According to my trusty Ian Allan Combined volumes for 1948 and 1955 it should be a Victoria to Holborn working. When writing the captions I've generally gone along with Dad's notes as he may have known something on the day we don't know now - but I also know he wasn't always right! David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2013 I just wish I knew whether Dad had taken the details from station announcements, departures board or just what he thought at the time. Sadly we'll never know. According to my trusty Ian Allan Combined volumes for 1948 and 1955 it should be a Victoria to Holborn working. When writing the captions I've generally gone along with Dad's notes as he may have known something on the day we don't know now - but I also know he wasn't always right! David What you are posting is seen by many as the purest gold. If the captions aren't always quite right, then it enables some of us to get the grey matter going a bit. We owe you! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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