Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[DaveF]

Gold dust for me David that picture, thanks very much for posting. Although slightly after my timeframe, the mix of hopper wagons interests me greatly as there are so few pictures of these trains in my era (which pre-dates the much more well-known iron-ore tippler wagons (that looked liked 16T mineral wagons) which dominated the BR era).  Interesting to see the loco tender first as well, I wonder if the picture taken during the time when the Grantham turntable was out of action (where the locos on the iron ore workings were turned, there being no turntable at High Dyke), prior to the triangle being installed?

 

I can't remember offhand when the triangle was built, the date on the photo is approximate as Dad only dated some of his b/w photos so I have to work from when I knew he was making visits to places.  I certainly have a lot more photos around Grantham as he went there quite often.

 

There is a photo of an 04 on a rake of ironstone hoppers in LNER days at grantham on page 43 of "LNER Steam at Grantham", Rev A C Cawston Wild Swan, pub1987 ISBN 0 906867 45 2

 

I may have some more iron ore train photos on the ECML as I still have about six and a half albums to scan!

 

David

Edited March 14, 2013 by DaveF

[LNER4479]

Grantham triangle was commissioned sometime in 1951, after the turntable centre pivot foundations collapsed in 1950. The 'table was temporarily back in use but apparently they couldn't make the ground stable so the triangle was installed instead (information from 'GNR Engine Sheds' [Griffiths & Hooper]). Therefore, there must have been a prolonged period 1950-1951 when turning was only spasmodically available at Grantham, hence my 'theory'! (Home locos were sent to be turned on the Barkston triangle during that time apparently)

 

Yes, I have the Cawston book and am familiar with the picture you quote. Unlike your Dad's picture, the rake of wagons in the Cawston book are extremely uniform. With Jonathan Weallean's help, we have identified the legend on the side as being 'STANTON'. But there is @20 years difference between the two pictures and things changed dramatically in the steel industry over that time. It seems as if more 'chaotic' collections of wagons were used in the run up to, during and after the war as every available wagon was pressed into service to try and keep up with the demand for steel!

 

Will keep a look out for your thread for more of the Grantham photos then, as and when   Thanks once again for taking the time and trouble to scan and post.

[DaveF]

Further to the livery on D3 62000 at Grantham (photo in post #1 and various later comments).

 

Having done some  more research - in other words I spent an enjoyable hour or so looking though books I found the following, again in "LNER Steam at Grantham" by Rev Arthur C Cawston, Wild Swan.

 "In 1944 D3 4075 was given a new chimney and large cab by Thompson  for use on Directors' specials.  She was painted in lined out green livery, with the LNER crest on the tender.  She was renumbered 2000"  

Apparently for a short time she carried the number 1.

 

In photos showing the front three quarters view the LNER crest has the same general shape as the early BR crest, so I am confident that the photo at Nottingham Victoria shows the LNER crest, so I think it really was taken in 1948, which fits in with some other photos in Dad's albums.

 

David

 

PS 4479 - Many thanks for the date of the Grantham triangle - I once lent someone my GNR sheds Vol1, and I never got it back!

 

David

Edited March 15, 2013 by DaveF

[andyrush]

Gold dust for me David that picture, thanks very much for posting. Although slightly after my timeframe, the mix of hopper wagons interests me greatly as there are so few pictures of these trains in my era (which pre-dates the much more well-known iron-ore tippler wagons (that looked liked 16T mineral wagons) which dominated the BR era).  Interesting to see the loco tender first as well, I wonder if the picture taken during the time when the Grantham turntable was out of action (where the locos on the iron ore workings were turned, there being no turntable at High Dyke), prior to the triangle being installed?

It looks like the loco has come on the train at Grantham all coaled up ready for its next working from Highdyke. Useful pictures these, nice to see the camera trained at something other than trains with pacifics on.....

[DaveF]

Another batch for 15th March.

 

Cambridge F6 7236 ecs 1948 JVol1219

 

Cambridge South K2 E1753 up goods 1948 JVol1208

 

Radford Junction Jubilee 45694 Bellerophon up XP Leeds to St Pancras c1951 JVol1187

 

Trumpington G2a 8951 up goods Cambridge to Bletchley c1948 JVol1255

 

David

[DaveF]

A few more for this evening.  None yesterday as I was out at Jarrow exhibition and then had a trip to see Souter Lighthouse and climbed up to the top to see the lamp and the view.

 

Cambridge B1 1285 Norwich to Liverpool St 1948 JVol1221

 

Cambridge old LMS loco shed near Hills Road LMS 2MT 3001 1948 JVol1257

 

Cambridge LNER 02 up goods 1948 JVol1244

 

Nottingham Victoria B1 1188 Manchester to Marylebone ex pass 1947 JVol1284

 

Hope you like them.

 

David

 

Edited to clarify a caption

D

Edited March 17, 2013 by DaveF

[coachmann]

The coach in post #31 is flush sided, carried full mock teak livery and white roof. The roof isnt unusual but the third class markings (abolished 1940) on the doors is very intriguing for post-war. Smashing sets of pictures right from the beginning.

[A Murphy]

These are outstanding photos Dave, thanks very much for posting. The picture of 1188 in post 32 is exceptional! He had a great eye for a shot your Dad. Thanks again,

 

Best wishes,

 

Alastair M

[TheSignalEngineer]

I liked the O4 on the ore hoppers, very similar mix to what we got through Snow Hill headed for Bilston in the early 1960s

Edited March 17, 2013 by TheSignalEngineer

[Clive Mortimore]

The coach in post #31 is flush sided, carried full mock teak livery and white roof. The roof isnt unusual but the third class markings (abolished 1940) on the doors is very intriguing for post-war. Smashing sets of pictures right from the beginning.

Hi Larry

 

It looks like it is a diagram 265 non vestibule lavatory third.

[coachmann]

Hi Larry

 

It looks like it is a diagram 265 non vestibule lavatory third.

Thanks. I'm not well-up on LNER carriages without research. It hasn't a domed roof and so I first assumed it was part of twin artic.

[DaveF]

One here for LNER 4479.

 

It's a very poor image but once again shows a late 40s ironstone train with an assortment of wagons.

 

Grantham Barrowby Road Junction O2 up iron ore c1949 JVol1168

 

David

[DaveF]

A few more for today.  Hopefully I'll get some more scanned tomorrow - I went into work today for the first time in ages so I got none done - usually such work as I do is from home.

 

Cambridge South LNER 07 (WD) up goods 1948 JVol1237

 

Newmarket B17 in distance 1948 JVol1207

 

Rugby LMS 3F 0-6-0T up goods c1949 JVol1347

 

Reading General GWR County Class down ex pass 1948 JVol1276

 

David

 

Edited to correct a location.

D

Edited March 20, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Mainly goods trains today.  Sorry again about some of the quality.

 

Leicester London Road 48621 down goods c1951 JVol1084

 

Nottingham area 8F goods c1949 JVol1085

 

Nottingham loco shed coaler c1949 JVol1041

 

Rugby troughs LMS Class 5 up goods c1950 JVol1117

 

Stanton Gate LMS Beyer Garrett c1949 JVol1090

 

Trent 2F up goods c1949 JVol1077

 

David

 

Edited to correct a date.  Also a spelling mistake in the first edit.  The 2F is now a 3F, I should be able to recognise Midland locos, I have enough models of them.

D

Edited March 20, 2013 by DaveF

[melmerby]

Mainly goods trains today.  Sorry again about some of the quality.

 

 

David

I wouldn't worry too much about the quality, it's the content that's the interest.

 

Keith

[Oldddudders]

I wouldn't worry too much about the quality, it's the content that's the interest.

 

Keith

Absolutely right. What's more plenty of shots in books appear to have been deliberately printed with the soot-and-whitewash method as "atmospheric", while we know you have little choice!

[Three Cocks Junction]

"Nottingham Midland LMS 3F 0-6-0T up goods c1949 JVol1347" looks suspiciously like the north end of Rugby Midland!

[DaveF]

"Nottingham Midland LMS 3F 0-6-0T up goods c1949 JVol1347" looks suspiciously like the north end of Rugby Midland!

Yes it does come to think of it - funnily enough Dad's caption is Rugby too - I must remember to check what I type before I press "Post".

 

Many thanks,

 

David

[Kev_Lewis]

Another batch of great photo's Dave.

 

Personally I prefer goods over passenger services. Plus the Black 5 and 8F are my favourites of the Midland loco's.

[DaveF]

A few more for this evening.

 

Nottingham Victoria J39 4749 and A5 c1948 JVol1161

 

Nottingham Victoria V2 ex pass Manchester to Marylebone and D2 Nottingham to Grantham  pass c1948 JVol1162

 

Sutton on Sea area LNER C12 Pass Mablethorpe to Boston c1948 JVol1129

Nice old coaches

 

Trowell Junction 3F 43778 up goods JVol1098

 

David

Edited March 20, 2013 by DaveF

[LNER4479]

A few more for this evening.

 

Sutton-on Sea area LNER C12 Pass Mablethorpe to Boston c1948 JVol1129.jpg

Sutton on Sea area LNER C12 Pass Mablethorpe to Boston c1948 JVol1129

Nice old coaches

 

David

You're not kidding! This is one of (the?) ex-GN articulated Louth set(s). Almost certainly the following (or one just like it):

 

 

There was a good deal of parsimonious 're-cycling' of old GNR 6-wheel and 8-wheel stock to form articulated rakes in the pre-war era and I'm hoping to put together such a rake for my project.

 

Thanks ever so much once again for taking the time to post.

 

(Love the glimpse of the D2 at Nottm Vic as well!)

[coachmann]

If one is lucky (Mrs coach was during filming of 'Country Matters' around 1971), a ride in one of these 6-wheel oldies might be on hand on the K&WVR occasionally.

[LNER4479]

...and the gorgeous Howlden 45ft composite coach that goes with it!

 

Have you 'clocked' that the rake depicted above is articulated, Coach? The 6-wheeled gear has been dispensed with and the 4 bodies are sharing five 8 foot Fox bogies. The end brake vehicles may formerly have been 8-wheel rigid stock (according to what I have been able to research thus far), but further details gratefully received for those more 'in the know'. There was a bewildering variety of 2, 3, 4 and 5 vehicle GNR articulated sets formed up in this way. Others, I believe, were built as articulated rakes from the outset (and we're not talking about the more famous Quad or Quint-Arts which were quite separate things). All very confusing but fascinating!

Edited March 21, 2013 by LNER4479

[GreenBR]

Hello,

Thanks for allowing your photographs to be viewed on here it is a privilege to see a snap of history like this.

Regards

[jwealleans]

There was a bewildering variety of 2, 3, 4 and 5 vehicle GNR articulated sets formed up in this way.

 

Have you got hold of any of Dan Pinnock's kits fo rthese, 4479?  IIRC there are quite detailed notes about the different sets and what they were used for.