Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[pH]

the next 100 to scan are not catalogued so I've got to try to sort out where they were taken first.

 

Oh good - another 'Can you help with these locations?' topic coming up?

[DaveF]

This evening we'll start at Ratcliffe Junction, north of Kegworth on the Midland, then move back to Nottingham before looking at the ECML at Grantham.

 

Ratcliffe Junction Stanier 2-6-0 42947 (probably) up goods c1950 JVol1016

 

Nottingham Midland 2P 40419 down ex pass c1950 JVol1019

 

Nottingham London Road Junction Class 5 44856 up ex pass c1952 JVol1015

 

Nottingham Victoria V2 60845 ex pass Marylebone to Manchester 1951 JVol1126

 

Grantham North A3 down ex pass c1953 JVol1133

 

Grantham Barrowby Road Junction A2/3 2 possibly 60515 Sun Stream up Northumbrian c1951JVol1154

 

Edit:

By the way,  I know that after time a thread of photos takes a long time to find things in so I am also putting these images on flickr where they are found in the appropriate collections, just for future reference.

 

David

Edited March 24, 2013 by DaveF

[DavidLong]

3rd photo no. 3 in post no. 59: is that not a J17 on the left, rather than a J39? It has a 'large' GE -type tender by the looks of things, it looks the same as the tender attached to the D16 next to it.

 

 

You could be right, I did wonder too. Looking at the original it is no clearer than the scan.  I've altered the caption tosee what others thimnk.

 

David

 

Sorry, I'm a day behind but my vote would be for a J19. Too big for a J17 and just doesn't look J39ish.

 

David

[coachmann]

With large smoke deflectors, theA2/2 looks more like an A2/3 with small forward dome and five ring 118 boiler.

[stewartingram]

I'm not sure about that, Stewart. Is the building in the background not Spiller's mill just to the west of Cambridge station? Would that be as clearly visible as that from Great Shelford? 

 

(Just asking, like!)

 

Pretty certain that is not the mill at Cambridge station, and the track (siding) on the left is wrong for that area. I'm thinking looking south, either at Granhams Road LC (just south of Shepreth Branch Junction), or actually (and more likely), Shelford station LC. I'm certain there was a building like that on the East side of the line in Shelford, though it doesn't show in Google streetview now.

 

Stewart

[DaveF]

With large smoke deflectors, theA2/2 looks more like an A2/3 with small forward dome and five ring 118 boiler.

 

On looking at the image properly it's pretty obvious!  So why didn't I notice it?   Many thanks for it pointing out,caption now amended.

 

I suspect it may be 60515 Sun Steam.

 

David

Edited March 24, 2013 by DaveF

[jwealleans]

JVol 1203 under the Hills Road bridge... It's not a J39 as the running plate is too straight.  I thought J19 but (Dave may be able to confirm this) I think the running plate rises up slightly in front of the cab for a short way along its length.  That would definitively make it a J20.

[DavidLong]

JVol 1203 under the Hills Road bridge... It's not a J39 as the running plate is too straight.  I thought J19 but (Dave may be able to confirm this) I think the running plate rises up slightly in front of the cab for a short way along its length.  That would definitively make it a J20.

 

Hadn't spotted that, Jonathan, J20 looks like a good call.

 

David

[DaveF]

JVol 1203 under the Hills Road bridge... It's not a J39 as the running plate is too straight.  I thought J19 but (Dave may be able to confirm this) I think the running plate rises up slightly in front of the cab for a short way along its length.  That would definitively make it a J20.

 

I'll go along with J20 and have amended the caption here and on flickr.

 

Many thanks.

 

David

[DaveF]

This afternoon's once again start in the Nottingham area, then a quick look at March and Barnwell Junction.  

 

Beeston LMS 0-6-0 diesel shunter 1948 JVol1080

 

Nottingham London Road Junction 2P light engine 1949 JVol1040

 

Nottingham London Road Junction 4F 43962 up goods 1949 JVol1053

 

Edwalton LMS compound 41197 up pass 1949 JVol1094

 

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March K3 61846 up parcels 1949 JVol1185 61846

 

Barnwell Junction 02 up goods 1948 JVol1248

 

More later all being well.

 

David

[62613]

Can't figure that one at March at all.

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi Dave

 

Could the train being hauled by 61846 be a circus train? I suggest this because of the two SR vans, in 1949 there was not so much off region use of parcels stock as was later the case and the type of vans look like the scenery or elephant vans the SR had.

[DaveF]

Hi Dave

 

Could the train being hauled by 61846 be a circus train? I suggest this because of the two SR vans, in 1949 there was not so much off region use of parcels stock as was later the case and the type of vans look like the scenery or elephant vans the SR had.

Hi Clive,

 

The only information I have for the image is already in the caption, and I haven't found any other photos of the train (yet) in Dad's other albums, so I suspect it will remain  a mystery.

 

David

[pH]

What is that pipe coming (apparently) from between the frames into the side of the smokebox on Compound 41197 in the picture in post #87? I don't remember ever seeing that on a Compound before, and a quick check through a magazine article on Compounds didn't turn up a picture of another with that fitting.

[DaveF]

Tonight's photos are mainly around Nottingham, together with one each of Leicester, Rugby and Trumpington.  Once again the emphasis is on freight.

 

Leicester London Road 3P 2-6-2T 41268 shunting horse boxes c1952 JVol1111

 

Rugby LMS Class 5 up pass 1949 JVol1065

 

Bulwell Viaduct GCR 04 down goods 1947 JVol1184

 

Basford 3F up light engine and brake van c1951JVol1104

 

Stanton Gate 8F down engine and brake van c1950 JVol1097

 

Nottingham Goods Yard 2F 58152 c1950 JVol1083

 

Netherfield LMS 4F 44415 down goods towards Lincoln 1950 JVol1057

 

Trumpington LNER J19 4697 down goods c1948 JVol1254

 

David

Edited March 25, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

What is that pipe coming (apparently) from between the frames into the side of the smokebox on Compound 41197 in the picture in post #87? I don't remember ever seeing that on a Compound before, and a quick check through a magazine article on Compounds didn't turn up a picture of another with that fitting.

 There is a photo of 41187 with a similar pipe in Midland Compounds by OS Nock.  No idea what it is for though.

 

David

[jwealleans]

Hi Dave,

 

JVol 1254 is definitely a J19 - flat running plate.

[mullie]

What a great thread, please keep the photos coming.

[LNER4479]

 There is a photo of 41187 with a similar pipe in Midland Compounds by OS Nock.  No idea what it is for though.

 

David

Supply pipe to the exhaust steam injector? I've seen pictures of 2Ps sporting this appendage (so perhaps a 'Midland thing'?) - 40419 has one on #78 - but they seemed to have varied enormously. Most other locos had them between the frames out of sight.

Edited March 25, 2013 by LNER4479

[Oldddudders]

Tonight's third pic, of Bulwell Viaduct, has more than a hint of Black Country Blues about it - leaving aside their habit of running diesels, of course.

[DavidLong]

Second photo from this afternoon at Nottingham Midland. Interesting collection of signals, colour lights, LMS upper quadrant (?) and Midland lower quadrants.

 

David

[melmerby]

Supply pipe to the exhaust steam injector? I've seen pictures of 2Ps sporting this appendage (so perhaps a 'Midland thing'?) - 40419 has one on #78 - but they seemed to have varied enormously. Most other locos had them between the frames out of sight.

Several  of the pictures in Essery & Jenkinson's LMS Locomotives books, show 4-4-0 locos with them, LH and RH sides. Looks like they were fitted by the LMS.

 

Keith

[LMS2968]

Exhaust injectors were fitted retrospectively to many LMS engines which didn't previously have them, but the programme was curtailed before completeion so some classes had engines with one exhaust injector and one live steam,others with two live steam. The ex-Midland and Midland-derived classes had the pipe exiting the smokebox as shown before diving below the running plate. Remember that ex-Midland and early LMS builds were right hand drive, but later examples were left hand drive. The exhaust injector was always fitted to the fireman's side so could appear on either side of an engine, according to the drive layout.

[DaveF]

Something of a mixed bag this afternoon, some Midland, some Eastern and one from LNWR.

 

Cambridge South Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0 6403 le c1948 JVol1039

 

Grantham Barrowby Road Junction K2 Grantham to Skegness c1952 JVol1156

 

Grantham shed GCR Q4 c1951 JVol1145.

 

Hitchin Ivatt Class 2 2-6-2T 1205 pass Hitchin to Bedford 1948 JVol1033

 

Peascliffe Tunnel V2 down ex pass c1952 JVol115

 

The same train going away

Peascliffe Tunnel V2 down ex pass c1952 JVol1158

 

Rugby Stanier 4P 2-6-4T 42627 pass Rugby to Leicester 1950 JVol1100

 

Toton 2P 40409 up pass c 1952 JVol1105

 

Trent Junction 8F down goods c1949 JVol1094

 

Wollaton wagons in quarry sidings by Trowell to Nottinghman line 1950JVol1026

 

Some more to come later on.

 

Edited to correct my obligatory spelling mistake.

 

David

Edited March 26, 2013 by DaveF

[t-b-g]

Lovely stuff! I have always thought that the period immediately after nationalisation would be a good one to model but apparently there are very few folk interested in it. One of the big manufacturers once told me that anything with BRITISH RAILWAYS in full on the tender/tank side was a poor seller compared to other liveries. I suppose it was short lived but to be able to have LMS and LNER liveries, plus BRITISH RAILWAYS and the early crest and even some express locos in blue would make for a very unusual and interesting layout.

 

Tony