Level crossing stupidity...

[beast66606]

1 hour ago, royaloak said:

 

What are you concerned about, several people have told you it is compliant, and why, but keep going on about it!

 

It's called answering someones comments - politely, try it sometime.  But you're right, it's not like anything bad ever happens at level crossing so probably best to ignore any concerns.

 

[Colin_McLeod]

Any genuine concern about the operation of a crossing should be URGENTLY brought to the attention of Network Rail.  Given Beast's obvious concern I feel it is reasonable to presume that he did so before posting here.  I would genuinely be interested to hear Network Rail's response.

[royaloak]

1 hour ago, beast66606 said:

 

It's called answering someones comments - politely, try it sometime.  But you're right, it's not like anything bad ever happens at level crossing so probably best to ignore any concerns.

 

You brought the subject up, others have replied that everything is fine but you insist on trying to turn this into an issue, the crossing is fully compliant, it does not (as far as I know) involve predictive operation so basically a train strikes in and the barriers lower, train strikes out and barriers rise, but because you arent aware of the regs around AHB operation you are trying to turn it into something it isnt, polite enough?

[royaloak]

1 hour ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Any genuine concern about the operation of a crossing should be URGENTLY brought to the attention of Network Rail.  Given Beast's obvious concern I feel it is reasonable to presume that he did so before posting here.  I would genuinely be interested to hear Network Rail's response.

Yeah of course he did!

[APOLLO]

Here's a bit of level crossing "stupidity" with a difference. Here the train driver has to obey road junction traffic lights and drive carefully, not easy at all !!

 

 

Brit15

[royaloak]

9 minutes ago, APOLLO said:

Here's a bit of level crossing "stupidity" with a difference. Here the train driver has to obey road junction traffic lights and drive carefully, not easy at all !!

 

 

Brit15

As a train driver (passenger not freight) I would just like to say what a bloody stupid set up that is, how is the driver supposed to get a loaded train away in the time allowed by the lights, having to throw flares out to stop the road traffic is ridiculous, if they cant see a train in front of them what chance of them stopping for a flare, I can just see the report 'I had a green light so thought it was okay to continue, I never saw the train across the road directly in front of me which is why I drove into the side of it, signed Mrs Chelsea Tractor driver (or whatever the American equivalent is)!

 

Thanks for sharing.

Edited December 7, 2019 by royaloak

[APOLLO]

I'd like to see a Class 800 go over that crossing and see how it fares in an argument with a Kenworth hauling hogs !!!!!!

 

Brit15

 

 

[kevinlms]

2 hours ago, royaloak said:

As a train driver (passenger not freight) I would just like to say what a bloody stupid set up that is, how is the driver supposed to get a loaded train away in the time allowed by the lights, having to throw flares out to stop the road traffic is ridiculous, if they cant see a train in front of them what chance of them stopping for a flare, I can just see the report 'I had a green light so thought it was okay to continue, I never saw the train across the road directly in front of me which is why I drove into the side of it, signed Mrs Chelsea Tractor driver (or whatever the American equivalent is)!

 

Thanks for sharing.

Not the Railroads problem, as almost certainly the rail line was built first!

 

It's amazing the number of vehicles, doing a left hand turn, directly in front of the train. Your vehicle is going to the wreckers, not the train!

[Catkins]

9 hours ago, APOLLO said:

I'd like to see a Class 800 go over that crossing and see how it fares in an argument with a Kenworth hauling hogs !!!!!!

 

Brit15

 

 

I would think that the 800 would come off worse, but there might be one or two slightly bruised piggies. 

[corneliuslundie]

In the first bit oif the video, am I right in thinking that the truck crossed on the red light?

And on a more positive note, some lovely weathering and graffiti etc for a model.

The Americans do seem to specialise in level crossings  in combining level crossings with road junctions.

Jonathan

[beast66606]

13 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Any genuine concern about the operation of a crossing should be URGENTLY brought to the attention of Network Rail.  Given Beast's obvious concern I feel it is reasonable to presume that he did so before posting here.  I would genuinely be interested to hear Network Rail's response.

 

I was about to but then I saw your well thought out response full of technical detail and timings and thought, Nah - if Colin says it's misinformation he must be right.

[beast66606]

16 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

 You should then get a minimum of 10 seconds between the time when road traffic is able to cross and the time at which the amber light first 

 

I've used a different tool to look at the raw video in a lot more detail, the time between the (raising) 45deg angle and the first light is 10.2 seconds (as best as I can measure), so within the spec - just (which is enough of course) so I'm happy to say that Mike - with reasoned arguments - has confirmed all is well. I will delete the video so the links will now be broken.

 

Presumably all those who winged would sooner I wasn't concerned and ignored my feelings of unease ? - it's not like I've been observing railways for 45 years or anything like that and so when an uneasy feeling arises I check it out, To answer the point about reporting it to NR, it's a bit like building a prosecution case, the evidence is examined and if found to be conclusive then it proceeds, it not then it's dismissed and if Mike had confirmed my concerns I would have reported it in an instant - would you ? would you have even noticed the potential risk ?

[Colin_McLeod]

2 hours ago, beast66606 said:

 

I was about to but then I saw your well thought out response full of technical detail and timings and thought, Nah - if Colin says it's misinformation he must be right.

 

My post did not require technical detail.  You said the timing was wrong and as explained by other posters it wasn't. That's the misinformation bit.

 

Of course genuine concern should be raised. No problem with that.  What seems to have caused upset was your continuing to claim that the level crossing was wrong when others (not me) had explained why it was compliant.

 

Lets move on. No need to fall out over this.

 

Regards Colin

[kevinlms]

One from Australia - this takes some beating for absolute stupidity. Look how fine it is at the end!

 

 

[Colin_McLeod]

Camera person retreats to a safe distance.

 

No one seems to be trying to persuade the truck driver to get off the crossing.

[chris p bacon]

Doesn't want to play for me.

[petethemole]

49 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Camera person retreats to a safe distance.

 

No one seems to be trying to persuade the truck driver to get off the crossing.

Subtitle at 1.03, the truck driver had abused the cameraman.

[Wickham Green]

Nice to see some real stupidity at last ......... welcome back to topic !

[Dunsignalling]

In the second bit of that, one of the truckers is being chased hard by his own trailer travelling sideways. Classic.

 

John

Edited December 10, 2019 by Dunsignalling

[PhilJ W]

42 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

Doesn't want to play for me.

It started but kept buffering then the notice came up 'Not available'.

[PhilJ W]

Its here on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65DvWJOUvhk

[Colin_McLeod]

3 hours ago, petethemole said:

Subtitle at 1.03, the truck driver had abused the cameraman.

 

Missed that. It is a very brief subtitle.

 

Now the cameraman has two choices.  Do his best to warn the railway, or video the crash.  Let's video the crash.

 

Drat he got away before the train arrived.

 

In any event I hope that video is seen by the authorities though maybe the truck driver had already alerted the railway himself.  

Edited December 10, 2019 by Colin_McLeod

[ess1uk]

On 17/11/2019 at 11:57, The Stationmaster said:

Although in fact it doesn't (or rather once upon a time didn't) work at all like that.  I can remember very early in my railway career being asked by an 'old hand' if I knew my geography - to which i replied 'yes' (absolutely true then as now).  But he then followed up with a second question ' But do you know your railway geography?'   That of course was a slightly different matter although in fact I was pretty good on most of Britain and very good on the Western (of course).   But to be honest I still didn't know where some of the lesser routing stations were - such as Peakirk (which had already closed but still remained in the Book of Routes, and it wasn't alone in that).

Peakirk is near Peterborough?

it has a level crossing

[kevinlms]

13 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

Missed that. It is a very brief subtitle.

 

Now the cameraman has two choices.  Do his best to warn the railway, or video the crash.  Let's video the crash.

 

Drat he got away before the train arrived.

 

In any event I hope that video is seen by the authorities though maybe the truck driver had already alerted the railway himself.  

Obviously he hadn't notified the control centre, because no sooner had the tow truck cleared the crossing,  then the barriers started coming down.

 

[daveyb]

16 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

Missed that. It is a very brief subtitle.

 

Now the cameraman has two choices.  Do his best to warn the railway, or video the crash.  Let's video the crash.

 

Drat he got away before the train arrived.

 

In any event I hope that video is seen by the authorities though maybe the truck driver had already alerted the railway himself.  

That is the world in which we now live. We used to joke that Army first aid was laugh at the accident first then treat, now everyone films first for their 5mins of infamy but then doesn't treat/act.