LMS2968 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 It joins farmer's fields either side of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway line about three-quarters of a mile east of Rainhill station. This photo was taken from the intervening public footbridge on 10 February 2014, before the wires went up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, LMS2968 said: It joins farmer's fields either side of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway line about three-quarters of a mile east of Rainhill station. This photo was taken from the intervening public footbridge on 10 February 2014, before the wires went up. That looks like just a foot path crossing 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: That looks like just a foot path crossing If it is that would explain a lot. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) No. it will take vehicles. The 300mm lens has foreshortened it. The distance from the camera is about half a mile. Edited July 3, 2020 by LMS2968 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 17 hours ago, 96701 said: But we don't know, do we? We've got one side of the story from a bloke who got annoyed and had a rant to his phone and posted it on social media. No we don't know......I thought that was what I had said !! (regarding the actions of both the farmer and NR) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, LMS2968 said: No. it will take vehicles. The 300mm lens has foreshortened it. The distance from the camera is about half a mile. Edited July 3, 2020 by boxbrownie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 In April, RAIB released 'Summaries of Learning' : "These are the most significant areas in which we have ongoing concerns about the control of risk in the railway industry. The summaries are intended to describe what the risks are and how they arise, what our investigations have found, and the important areas for safety learning." They use information collated from all relevent incidents to date and there is one focusing on user-worked crossings: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/summary-of-learning-1-design-and-operation-of-user-worked-level-crossings 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Forgot to say, in May, RAIB also released a "Class investigation into human performance in signalling operations". Areas looked at include user/level crossing incidents. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-032020-class-investigation-into-human-performance-in-signalling-operation Edited July 3, 2020 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 16:47, boxbrownie said: No one is saying you should, just a little bit of common sense both sides and more communication at the time rather than a flat NO or obstinacy to explain might have helped more. I don't know the signaller concerned, but, a user wouldn't get a flat No or obstinacy from me, I try and explain I am many miles away from the user and have many crossings under my control and I need the assistance of the user in determining the location they want to cross at so they can do so safely, I can think of only one problem crossing at the locations where I work, it is one where the farmer reported the telephones not working at a crossing connecting 2 of his fields, but, then refused to let the S&T people cross his land to get to the crossing to fix them! Ian 1 3 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 4, 2020 He probably thought they could travel by rail 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ianwales said: I can think of only one problem crossing at the locations where I work, it is one where the farmer reported the telephones not working at a crossing connecting 2 of his fields, but, then refused to let the S&T people cross his land to get to the crossing to fix them! No doubt his ancestor had set his labourers with pitchforks onto the surveyors back in the 1840s. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 19 hours ago, ianwales said: I don't know the signaller concerned, but, a user wouldn't get a flat No or obstinacy from me, I try and explain I am many miles away from the user and have many crossings under my control and I need the assistance of the user in determining the location they want to cross at so they can do so safely, I can think of only one problem crossing at the locations where I work, it is one where the farmer reported the telephones not working at a crossing connecting 2 of his fields, but, then refused to let the S&T people cross his land to get to the crossing to fix them! Ian Wasn't this bloke was it? 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On the Inverness/Aberdeen route there is an occupation crossing with a long history of dispute and aggravation between the user and the railway; I once saw the folder containing the relevant communications and they went back, quite literally, decades ! A regular complaint from the user was phones not being answered or defective, however the S&T staff became reluctant to attend having been threatened in the past. Nearly four years after I retired I can still remember the names of both the crossing and the user (although I will not publish them here). We in Control got involved when the controlling signalbox was closed, as the user then phoned us instead, and my colleagues, knowing the history, dreaded having to deal with them. Personally I never actually had any problem with them, and I did actually have a little sympathy for the user as there had unfortunately been one occasion when they were given permission to cross before a train had passed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes in.. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Whilst not in any way condoning the cyclist's actions, it was another 25 minutes before the train had cleared the crossing! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2020 If he was on the way to work that could have been a rather expensive wait. There are traffic lights on the road junction but I couldn't see any covering the road across the line. I should have thought they should be the near side of the crossing. I can see why there are accidents with that kind of road/rail intersection. Jonathan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Plus, he took the most safe option, before I saw him do what he did, I was worried that was going to crawl under where the hopper chutes were! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2020 Compare https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BoT_StonyRoad1905.pdf. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: If he was on the way to work that could have been a rather expensive wait. There are traffic lights on the road junction but I couldn't see any covering the road across the line. I should have thought they should be the near side of the crossing. Apart from the half barrier and lights to the right of the cyclist? It is in Canada - they are on the right.... which is their nearside 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: If he was on the way to work that could have been a rather expensive wait. There are traffic lights on the road junction but I couldn't see any covering the road across the line. I should have thought they should be the near side of the crossing. IIRC its quite common in CANADA for the lights to be up on gantries on the far side of the intersection as are the ones you can see. The lights for the cross street would thus be out of sight. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimble Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 reminds me of watching the Ashland cam a couple of years ago when a +100 car train was stopped at a signal for ~2.5hrs, effectively cutting the town in two for that time... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2020 Haven't these people come across the concept of the bridge? 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Probably so few trains it isn't worth the cost... A more obvious solution would seem to be repositioning the signals so the trains don't straddle the crossings?! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2020 If it's got multiple locos and is going to be there for a while then split the train either side of the crossing (not a serious suggestion BTW). 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2020 I think I now understand why one is told not to stray over to the wrong side of the tracks... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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