RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Hobby said: Hence I suggested large fines. Money talks much more than anything else for these sorts of people. You need to catch them to fine them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2021 No matter what you are doing, it is always possible to use a level crossing safely... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVJ3Ho83Ksg Kev. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Dagworth said: You need to catch them to fine them. They need to have money to be fineable. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 10 hours ago, SHMD said: No matter what you are doing, it is always possible to use a level crossing safely... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVJ3Ho83Ksg Kev. Was in Kyoto exactly this time last year, and that brought back such happy memories. Thanks for that link. What an phenomenal band! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: They need to have money to be fineable. Same answer I give to the ticketless people on the train... " If you can afford a mobile phone, the you can afford a ticket (or in this case a fine)!" Come to think about it confiscate the phone... 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, Hobby said: Same answer I give to the ticketless people on the train... " If you can afford a mobile phone, the you can afford a ticket (or in this case a fine)!" Come to think about it confiscate the phone... Remember that phones are like private owner wagons - usually let on contract rather than the holder's absolute property. They're paying as little as £10 per month, considerably less than they're (not) paying on train fares. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Not the ones I see people with, they cost a lot more than a tenner a month! 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Damo666 said: Was in Kyoto exactly this time last year, and that brought back such happy memories. Thanks for that link. What an phenomenal band! Yes, was there a few years ago now but never saw that procession, busy working unfortunately.....but it also brought back great memories of lovely people and places......so bloomin’ clean everywhere 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2021 50 minutes ago, Hobby said: Same answer I give to the ticketless people on the train... " If you can afford a mobile phone, the you can afford a ticket (or in this case a fine)!" Come to think about it confiscate the phone... That was one suggestion made to reduce the number of people using mobile phones when driving - make the punishment confiscation of the phone... 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 32 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: Yes, was there a few years ago now but never saw that procession, busy working unfortunately.....but it also brought back great memories of lovely people and places......so bloomin’ clean everywhere Agreed. I think western society as a whole could learn a lot from the way Japanese society works, and it would be for the betterment of all. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hobby said: Same answer I give to the ticketless people on the train... " If you can afford a mobile phone, the you can afford a ticket (or in this case a fine)!" Come to think about it confiscate the phone... Something I've often thought about when people talk about driving whilst on the phone - confiscating the phone would probably be a more significant deterrent than points on the licence and a fine (particularly if they're not allowed to take out a new contract on a new phone for a while). edit: reading on I see someone's said just that! Edited January 26, 2021 by Reorte 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Damo666 said: I think western society as a whole could learn a lot from the way Japanese society works, and it would be for the betterment of all. As regards cleanliness, the likes of Germany, Austria and Switzerland always seem so clean when we visit, especially small towns and villages. Untidiness (behaviour, not dress sense) seems a very British thing, especially amongst the younger generation who don't see to care for the old adage "take your rubbish home with you". We watched that programme on Chatsworth and the state of the grounds the morning after the first of the hot days was horrendous, I felt so sorry for the people who had to clear up the mess... (Substitute beaches for Chatsworth if you want!). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 31 minutes ago, Damo666 said: Agreed. I think western society as a whole could learn a lot from the way Japanese society works, and it would be for the betterment of all. Superficially it may seem so but there are some very dark places when you scratch the surface. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, meil said: Superficially it may seem so but there are some very dark places when you scratch the surface. No society's perfect, shouldn't stop us wanting to emulate the good parts. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, Reorte said: Something I've often thought about when people talk about driving whilst on the phone - confiscating the phone would probably be a more significant deterrent than points on the licence and a fine (particularly if they're not allowed to take out a new contract on a new phone for a while). edit: reading on I see someone's said just that! Personally, I'd say go one step further... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Reorte said: Something I've often thought about when people talk about driving whilst on the phone - confiscating the phone would probably be a more significant deterrent than points on the licence and a fine (particularly if they're not allowed to take out a new contract on a new phone for a while). edit: reading on I see someone's said just that! More effective to confiscate the car. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: More effective to confiscate the car. Many seem so obsessed with their phones that I honestly think there's nothing they'd fear more than losing the phone, even the car. 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Hobby said: As regards cleanliness, the likes of Germany, Austria and Switzerland always seem so clean .......... Yes an' no ............... I was horrified by the amount of graffiti on the buildings when I visited Bern about ten years ago - and most British train operators seem quicker to remove such mess from their mobile assets than is often the case abroad. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reorte said: Many seem so obsessed with their phones that I honestly think there's nothing they'd fear more than losing the phone, even the car. So confiscate both. And if the miscreant complains they are not theirs, tell them that they are responsible for the value of the goods confiscated to the owner(s) thereof. Edited January 26, 2021 by Budgie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Back to level crossings, and Revelstoke had a day of slow running as a large MOW (Maintenance of Way) hi-rail vehicle managed to reverse into one of the crossing signal posts, neatly snapping it off at ground level, and putting the crossing out of action. All trains warned and flagged across at walking pace. Accident happened at 08:34PST, last Signal Technician vehicle cleared the site at 20:39PST, having had to completely replace the crossing post, and while they were at it, upgrading the arm on the post the other side... 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, talisman56 said: Back to level crossings How dare you try to discuss level crossings on this thread 1 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: More effective to confiscate the car. Personally, I would have a vet in every traffic police car.................. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hobby said: As regards cleanliness, the likes of Germany, Austria and Switzerland always seem so clean when we visit, especially small towns and villages. Untidiness (behaviour, not dress sense) seems a very British thing, especially amongst the younger generation who don't see to care for the old adage "take your rubbish home with you". We watched that programme on Chatsworth and the state of the grounds the morning after the first of the hot days was horrendous, I felt so sorry for the people who had to clear up the mess... (Substitute beaches for Chatsworth if you want!). The younger generation......hmmmm......as an aside to my experience working in Japan, my fifth visit took me into the centre of Tokyo for some shopping, the first walk through the city is an eye opener but the kids, groups dressed liked punks.....rockers......mods (Or whatever they call them, dead smart), and even sexy cartoon character groups (didn’t know what to make of that)......but when there was a big group of nasty looking hells angel/rocker/mods kids walking down the pavement taking up the whole width......it was very intimidating at first, BUT when it came to them right in front of you they gracefully parted and smiled with deference and they walked past, over here I admit I’d be probably looking around for a shop to “look into”......completely different society, where on earth did we go wrong? Edited January 26, 2021 by boxbrownie 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, meil said: Superficially it may seem so but there are some very dark places when you scratch the surface. Indeed, and I saw a couple of Yazuka trucks (they used pickup trucks and stood in the back heavily armed with baseball bats and bamboo sticks (no doubt backed up out of sight with .38 and Kadachi swords out of sight) rumble by in the middle of the night, but my companion said “don’t worry they are just reinforcing their control zone, not interested in us, just the other gangs”.......so it was and I didn’t. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 26/01/2021 at 07:24, Hobby said: Hence I suggested large fines. Money talks much more than anything else for these sorts of people. Actually a large fine has different effects to people, depending on their financial position. Some regard any fine as a petty cash annoyance, yet to others a large fine can be a life changing experience. Some Scandinavian countries take into account your annual income, surely a much fairer system? https://www.cnrlawyers.com/news/high-speeding-ticket-fines/ 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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