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In Oz, power vessels are required to give way to sail. However, documentation is worded such as to convey that if you put your 8ft dinghy in the path of something big, you shouldn't be surprised if you get run down and receive no sympathy. 

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6 hours ago, PatB said:

In Oz, power vessels are required to give way to sail. However, documentation is worded such as to convey that if you put your 8ft dinghy in the path of something big, you shouldn't be surprised if you get run down and receive no sympathy. 

The world regulations for sailing motor vessels are the same, however on the Norfolk Broads, even though we are legally an arm of the sea our regulations are in the odd case different.  

BUT, using our regulations wording.

 

Responsibilities Between Vessels
10
(b) The master of a sailing vessel underway shall keep his vessel out of the way of:

(i) a vessel not under command;

(ii) a vessel restricted in its ability to manoeuvre;

(iii) a quanted vessel.


(c) (i) The master of a vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in its ability to manoeuvre shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid his vessel impeding the safe passage of a vessel constrained by its draught, exhibiting the signal in Byelaw 39.

(ii) The master of a vessel constrained by its draught shall navigate his vessel with particular caution having full regard to that constraint.
(2) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1) (a) (iii) of this Byelaw a Sailing Vessel shall include a wherry under sail notwithstanding that it is also being propelled by machinery; and for this purpose a wherry shall mean a vessel known in the Broads as a wherry or wherry yacht.

 

You'll note the bit about Wherries that doesn't appear in world regulations, our reg's also include it's illegal to fish from a sailing or mechanically propelled boat underway. Also fishermen should remove their tackle from the water so as to not impeed the navigation of vessels.

 

There are other sections like boats coming out of a side river have to give way to boats on the main river, and boats crossing the river (not tacking) also give way to boats going along the river.

 

All the above and much more will come into play (and much more) on Saturday when our 100 sailing boats set sail on the 3 Rivers Race, confusing the hell out of the tourists who've never read the navigation rules and are only interested in getting to the next pub.

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8 hours ago, alastairq said:

Sailing of QE2 delayed somewhat in Southampton water....because of the wee old BP tanker I was on, needed to anchor prior to popping over to Hamble to discharge....petroleum [products, not crude oil...] so posh had to give way to a No Smokin' tanker! [Not very smart one either...]   

Down in a lowly sailing dingy we never took part in arguments between the bigger boys.  Doubt if there was any danger of fire if we had hit a petroleum laden tanker, just glug glug!

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41 minutes ago, eastglosmog said:

Down in a lowly sailing dingy we never took part in arguments between the bigger boys.  Doubt if there was any danger of fire if we had hit a petroleum laden tanker, just glug glug!

 Don't risk crossing in front of a train  tanker,  The skipper of the yacht got fined, IRRC he was navy or EX navy..

you'll note the spinnaker collapses just before the impact, the skipper obviously forgot the wind interferance of the tanker wiould cause him to lose speed just at the wrong time..

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The propeller at the other end can be even more dangerous - us kids were told to steer well clear of all such beasts (and also not stray over level crossings when the lights were going for the same reason - you were never going to win the contest).

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2 hours ago, TheQ said:

All the above and much more will come into play (and much more) on Saturday when our 100 sailing boats set sail on the 3 Rivers Race, confusing the hell out of the tourists who've never read the navigation rules and are only interested in getting to the next pub.

 

I've now got a picture in my mind of lots of hire boats not knowing what to to herding all the sail boats towards the next pub! :lol:

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2 hours ago, TheQ said:

The world regulations for sailing motor vessels are the same, however on the Norfolk Broads, even though we are legally an arm of the sea our regulations are in the odd case different.  

BUT, using our regulations wording.

 

 Responsibilities Between Vessels
10
(b) The master of a sailing vessel underway shall keep his vessel out of the way of:

(i) a vessel not under command;

(ii) a vessel restricted in its ability to manoeuvre;

(iii) a quanted vessel.


(c) (i) The master of a vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in its ability to manoeuvre shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid his vessel impeding the safe passage of a vessel constrained by its draught, exhibiting the signal in Byelaw 39.

(ii) The master of a vessel constrained by its draught shall navigate his vessel with particular caution having full regard to that constraint.

 

And:

 

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So make sure you take your tape measure with you...

 

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1 hour ago, Hobby said:

 

I've now got a picture in my mind of lots of hire boats not knowing what to to herding all the sail boats towards the next pub! https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_laugh.png

During regatta week 3rd to the 9th August this year , I will be running a rescue boat, I doubt I'll be doing much rescuing, what I will be doing is herding cats.. all the tourists mostly in day boats along the bank, who haven't a clue.

 

As for commercial power craft over 15M that would be covered by 10 (ii) vessels restricted in their ability to manouver.

On the northern rivers there are no commercial vessels of that size except for Broads tours and the Fake paddle steamer Southern Comfort.  (which is moored next to the club) So we only have to avoid 4 of those, I think the BA dredger and wherries are below 50ft.

Oh and trawlers are definately not allowed on the broads..(not to work anyway)

 

Those commercial vessels generally give both the 3 Rivers Race and Regatta week a miss.. Southern Comfort will go out but normally leaving and returning between races..

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How about a vehicle barrier down the centre of the last 200yds on roads approaching a Railway Crossing, with half-barriers?  Combined with screens which prevent the warnng lights being visible until well into the portion of road with the separating barrier.

 

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Julian

 

 

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5 minutes ago, jcredfer said:

How about a vehicle barrier down the centre of the last 200yds on roads approaching a Railway Crossing, with half-barriers?  Combined with screens which prevent the warnng lights being visible until well into the portion of road with the separating barrier.

 

Regards

 

Julian

 

 

Exactly (and something I have advocated for a long time). It is about thinking of a level crossing as a system, not just the bit where the railway crosses the highway.

 

Jim

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59 minutes ago, jcredfer said:

How about a vehicle barrier down the centre of the last 200yds on roads approaching a Railway Crossing, with half-barriers?  Combined with screens which prevent the warnng lights being visible until well into the portion of road with the separating barrier.

 

Regards

 

Julian

 

 

This might work in some locations but certainly not all. The crossing that I commented on a couple of weeks ago (Gwinner road) could look like an ideal candidate for this, but introducing a barrier in the middle of the road would prevent vehicle access to several properties without doing a U turn beyond the barrier, possibly okay for cars (not a safe prospect however) but impossible for the HGV and farm traffic using one entrance. This is possibly a more unusual rural location but I can also think of many urban crossings that have roads joining the crossing road within a very short distance of the rail crossing.

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53 minutes ago, jim.snowdon said:

Exactly (and something I have advocated for a long time). It is about thinking of a level crossing as a system, not just the bit where the railway crosses the highway.

 

Jim

This has been done in several cases in France. Either the two sides of the road are separated by a raised kerb, or the area between them is excavated out, then backfilled with fine gravel, like that used in escape routes on steep hills.

This should link to a Google view of a crossing near our vines in Beaujolais, which uses the raised kerb, at least on one side:- https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.9231482,4.5625037,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXlIinSAjukIrDkX-wy7uKQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-GB  Though the road is only a Departmental, it carries quite a lot of traffic, either locals travelling to Lyon or HGVs carrying timber from local forests.

 

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Well let's get back on dry land and on topic.   

It is reported in the Railway Herald  that the Mercedes driver who decided to have an argument with the Y15 on the NNR has been fined £1180 and ordered to pay costs of £85. 

Apologies if this has been noted earlier in this thread but there is too much froth to search through to check whether or not it has already been announced.

Malcolm

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2 hours ago, dunwurken said:

Well let's get back on dry land and on topic.   

It is reported in the Railway Herald  that the Mercedes driver who decided to have an argument with the Y15 on the NNR has been fined £1180 and ordered to pay costs of £85. 

Apologies if this has been noted earlier in this thread but there is too much froth to search through to check whether or not it has already been announced.

Malcolm

And a hefty increase in his insurance premiums too, I hope!

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On 30/05/2019 at 08:23, alastairq said:

I hereby hoist  two black balls..........

 

I hope the medical treatment for your condition resolves the issue... :)

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34 minutes ago, Porkscratching said:

If they've gone black, you'll likely have to have em orf...! 

That's what Hitler had in the back of his mind when he gave Jesse Owens his gold medals.

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On 30/05/2019 at 09:08, Hobby said:

 

I've now got a picture in my mind of lots of hire boats not knowing what to to herding all the sail boats towards the next pub! https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_laugh.png

 

Ah - reminds me of summer weekends at university, taking a flotilla of sailing dinghies up Oulton Dyke and along the Waveney to the pub - used to have much fun with the holidaymakers and it certainly honed your judgement of when to tack/gybe.

 

Remember one bloke watched us so intently that he completely missed the bend in the river with much crunching of boat and bank!

 

Martin 

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1 hour ago, Porkscratching said:

Then again according to popular song...."Hitler has only got one b....etc "

Apparently it was Mao who only had one.

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I've just read the last few posts and thought that I was in Wheeltappers. I had actually forgotten I was in a level crossing thread.:help::offtopic:

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