terry.ecmr Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzECrFi_rQ8yiOOokSBKsNg Also visit ecmr.webs.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share Posted March 19, 2013 this picture taken by Chris Nevard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Nice photo and videos Terry; we are looking forward to seeing the layout again at the Thames Valley Model Rail Expo on the 18th May Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltic9012 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Great to see an unusual EMU type on a layout - how did you go about its build ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 Great to see an unusual EMU type on a layout - how did you go about its build ? The sides are Dapol/airfix suburban coaches, cut into lots and lots of sections and glued together. The motor coach is a correct scale 2ft longer, so that is 2 x roof and 2 x chassis joined together. The driving ends are Comet brass 3 window LMS driving trailer ends with the centre window filled in. That way I got the visor over the windows. The grills were a big problem. Fortunately I had scale drawings from an 'LMS coaching stock' book (which helped throughout) so I scanned the grill drawings. I then used a photo editing software to colour this, using various shades of green for the louvers and surround. I then printed this on sticky labels, doing several, each with different contrast and/or brightness. I then offered them up against the model and chose the one that looked best. At normal viewing distance you can't really tell they are only 2D, It is currently powered by an oldish spud motor. I will replace this at some time. The unit took a long time to make. But I was pleased with the result and it gets lots of positive comments at exhibitions......although many people think it's an Oerlikon! If you go to http://ecmr.webs.com/news-exhibition-dates you can see where the layout is over the next year or so. If I'm any where close pay a visit and say hello. Regards Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltic9012 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Crikey - but well worth the effort! I'm sure I saw something a few years ago on Bill Bedford's web page that a GEC kit might be considered, but I've never seen or hear anything since. I'd wondered if the Dapol coaches might be worth a look, but without seriously considering it. It's bad enough considering building an Oerlikon from the London Road Models sides - I've been rash and ordered two ! I'll certainly make the effort for a chat if I see you at a show - thank you very much Regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 The other option is use old 00 Graham Farish LMS suburbans, however Terry's approach is a better solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 Crikey - but well worth the effort! I'm sure I saw something a few years ago on Bill Bedford's web page that a GEC kit might be considered, but I've never seen or hear anything since. I'd wondered if the Dapol coaches might be worth a look, but without seriously considering it. It's bad enough considering building an Oerlikon from the London Road Models sides - I've been rash and ordered two ! I'll certainly make the effort for a chat if I see you at a show - thank you very much Regards Alan How difficult are the Oerlikon sides to make a decent model? Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 How difficult are the Oerlikon sides to make a decent model? Terry Very is the answer Terry the London Road Models brass etches are good however it is not a complete kit. The biggest issue being the roof profile which much shallower than the LMlS units . The other option is the Street Level Models cardboard Oerlikon and either laminate the or use the kit as as aid to scratch building one. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizontal Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Well done for building something so different, and so well! I remember seeing a couple of those GEC sets coupled on an evening rush service at Broad St in 1962 shortly before withdrawal - They looked ancient next to a 501 :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The sides are Dapol/airfix suburban coaches, cut into lots and lots of sections and glued together. Hi Terry Are we talking the GWR B set coaches or the LMS surburban coaches with the compartment centres reduced? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hi Terry Are we talking the GWR B set coaches or the LMS surburban coaches with the compartment centres reduced? Terry has used the LMS coaches as the GWrR B sets are a different profile, however they would make a good starting point for Metropolitan steel paneled T Stock. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hi Terry Are we talking the GWR B set coaches or the LMS surburban coaches with the compartment centres reduced? Nigel is correct.....he has seen this unit and we have discussed it many times..... I used the plans in Jenkinson's coaching stock book, so I was able to cut whatever bits of coach sides were necessary to fit the plan. There were two different kinds of centre cars. Some were originally built as composites (later down-graded to 3rd class only, whilst same later ones were built as all thirds, so the body layout differed. There are some more pictures at ecmr.webs.com Regards Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydon junction Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 this picture taken by Chris Nevard Add close couplings and buffer beam detail! Other than that, looks great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just to bump this thread up. I have been looking at drawings and photos in the Jenkinson book. Unfortunately there is not a drawing of thetrailer composite . The photo suggests it has two third class then four 1st class and then three 3rd class. There is no lavatory.Seem to remember something about not having them on trains running on North London line . Now this therefore does not match the Dapol/Airfix composite . The Hornby one looks like a non lavatory one but wrong mix of class compartments. Also to fit it a first class compartment instead of a third class one would require compartment lengths to be reduced . Now I wonder if the photo in the book is wrong(unlikely), but can not find any mention of a 2-4-3 mix, and in fact it does state that the LMS followed LNWR pattern of 3-3-3 mix. Therr were some all third class middle coaches, but that does not explain the composite mystery. The Altrincham stock was 58ft long, so could there have been some mixing . Some ex london stock did end up up north. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 In the Jenkinson and Essery book ISBN 0 86093 452 7 on page 175 there is a drawing of the trailer composite. This is the basis of the trailer in my model. The layout is 3 third, 4 first, 2 third to diag no. D1691. On page 176 is also diag D1846, which appears to be almost identical. On page 178 is a drawing for the all third trailer version, to diag D1684 Hope this helps. Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 In the Jenkinson and Essery book ISBN 0 86093 452 7 on page 175 there is a drawing of the trailer composite. This is the basis of the trailer in my model. The layout is 3 third, 4 first, 2 third to diag no. D1691. On page 176 is also diag D1846, which appears to be almost identical. On page 178 is a drawing for the all third trailer version, to diag D1684 Hope this helps. Terry thanks Terry, that is the revised version of the book, when it was split into 3 books. May have to get a copy of that, as it covers more of what I am interested in.(just ordered a copy - not cheap but worth it). It also highlights what is missing in original book. Looking at photos of your model I could not tell whether it was 4 first class or 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I think you'll find all the info you need in the zipped files attached to the email sent to you on 29th November as they were the relevant pages from the Essery and Jenkinson book! Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Stan, I think those were for the laser cut designs, I don't remember seeing drawings except for the Southport parcels cars(thanks for those, they are on the list to do), but I was having problems to get files initially unzipped. There is also other info I am interested in in the book. Just had another look, and I think I have pages with photos not drawings. No problem, book is on the way. I got the combined volume, at a very reasonable price(half what I had seen elsewhere), so paying for the updated volume is not that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Nope, Orm1008 and Orm1009 - both .pdfs should answer your needs. But if you get the E&J books, you can confirm this for yourself! Cheers, Stan Stan, I think those were for the laser cut designs, I don't remember seeing drawings except for the Southport parcels cars(thanks for those, they are on the list to do), but I was having problems to get files initially unzipped. There is also other info I am interested in in the book. Just had another look, and I think I have pages with photos not drawings. No problem, book is on the way. I got the combined volume, at a very reasonable price(half what I had seen elsewhere), so paying for the updated volume is not that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Stan, thanks for that It was my unzip program,was only showing first 3 pages, and I had been having problems with getting it to run,but got them now. Worked out how they squeezed in extra first class, by reducing each by about 4in. That means removing a mm off each first class compartment if cut and shunting the Dapol coaches. I will continue with my 3D printed design(initially for HO, then other scales). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 got my 3D printed 3 car unit in HO now, bodies only. No rush as the layout I plan is a while off. Planning a 'what if' extension to the Hammersmitth and Chiswick branch. Not as grand as Earls Court though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Strathwood Posted February 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2017 got my 3D printed 3 car unit in HO now, bodies only. No rush as the layout I plan is a while off. Planning a 'what if' extension to the Hammersmitth and Chiswick branch. Not as grand as Earls Court though. Crikey extended to whereabouts as not too much towards the Thames and if you head off towards Hammersmith the LSWR & LNWR were already going that way anyway. Either way good luck and I look forward to seeing how it goes. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 It isnot that difficult, basically line goes south west just north of Chiswick park and could join the Chiswick line just to the north of Chiswick station.Given that the original H&C line dates from about 1850, when it was all fields, then I think it could have been built before housing covered it. My only difficulty is mixing 3 and 4 rail operations, but I plan to have then come from either end on first(HO) layout, and not so sure yet for second one(OO),as I want to also include GWR railcar and steam railmotor(possibly on publicity trial, as it will be 1930s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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