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brush built many steam locos before moving onto diesel and electric, it used to be Falcon works, one of the Corris loco's was built by them

Yes, originally Henry Hughes & Company after its founder, then Falcon Engineering (after the name of the works he founded), later becoming Brush.  Surviving steam locos from all three eras exist - in diverse locations as they had a thriving export business, but with a total combined output of some 350 locos (including around 100 steam tram locos)  they are nowhere common.  The Thailand (then Siam) loco is one of the last steam locos built by Brush engineering, SRT no. 61 being b/n 322 of 1911.

 

Talking of Thailand, another Brush loco, an 0-6-0ST of the Sri Maharacha Timber Company (SRJ no. 3, Brush 290/1903) was last seen at an old mattress factory in Chumpon, Si Racha, in 1993 (along with a Barclay 0-6-0ST), but had disappeared by 2010.

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Nice photos, Mark.  Although there are now quite a few ex-British locos in Bulgaria, finding and predicting when they are out on line can be a bit hit and miss!  I expect that Pirdop is getting used to British enthusiasts dropping by - but good to see that the line-up of Class 87s there changes frequently.

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The DVD Locomotives Von Krupp (Eisenbahn Kurier8300) shows a batch of 2-8-0s being built for Iraq in the 1950s.These had Stanier 8f fittings even down to the cab but they parallel boilers which gave them an Indian Appearance and American style bogie tenders as per the S160!

Not British built but with British Ancestry!

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...Stanier 8f fittings even down to the cab but they parallel boilers which gave them an Indian Appearance and American style bogie tenders as per the S160!

Not British built but with British Ancestry!

 

Interesting beast.  Found here.

 

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The site I found that in is an absolute treasure trove, truly Fabulous Beasts and Where to Find Them.

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An actual electric locomotive from English Electric... in the Japan Railway Museum just north of Tokyo (kind of like the equivalent of the NRM in York).

 

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ED17-1 in Omiya by Rail Squid, on Flickr

 

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ED17-1 - "English Electric" by Rail Squid, on Flickr

 

However judging by the instruments in the cab, the actual electrical bits have long since been replaced by Japanese versions.

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Further to Railsquid post ,I know there are a number of British built locos preserved in Japan.Somewhere on YouTube there's a museum (Kobe?)which has a Glasgow built saddle tank.

Sky 507 is NHK world and there's a roughly monthly programme called Japan Railway Journal It's on YouTube and issue 40 has a Tobu Railway 4-4-0 built by Better Peacock on it(11 minutes or so)

The programmes in English with an English presenter but I'm still wondering where they get all the female Japanese railway enthusiasts!

Next one is on on Thursday and Friday

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The oldest operating steam loco in Canada was built by Dubs & Co. in Glasgow , Scotland in 1882 for the Canadian Pacific Railway.

Now it belongs to the Prairie Dog Central Railway near Winnipeg ,Manitoba.post-6586-0-21654600-1519674411_thumb.pngpost-6586-0-50442800-1519674447_thumb.pngpost-6586-0-89400800-1519674464_thumb.png

The oldest operating steam loco in Canada was built by Dubs & Co. in Glasgow , Scotland in 1882 for the Canadian Pacific Railway.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, and I accept it isn't a "locomotive", but Liberia got five leading power cars of the 79xxx Swindon InterCity DMUsfor workers trains:

 

http://www.railcar.co.uk/type/swindon-79xxx/non-passenger-use

 

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, and I accept it isn't a "locomotive", but Liberia got five leading power cars of the 79xxx Swindon InterCity DMUsfor workers trains:

 

http://www.railcar.co.uk/type/swindon-79xxx/non-passenger-use

 

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EDITED to include photograph

 

First time I have seen a photo of one actually in use, all the others showed the remains rotting away.

 

Jim

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A good friend of mine was a driver out there and used to drive them, don't think they lasted to long as actual units think they were hauled sometimes.

I'm sure I remember him telling me one got smashed up

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, and I accept it isn't a "locomotive", but Liberia got five leading power cars of the 79xxx Swindon InterCity DMUsfor workers trains:

 

http://www.railcar.co.uk/type/swindon-79xxx/non-passenger-use

 

lamco79094.jpg

 

EDITED to include photograph

Now that front end is similar to the 120s which I have already done for 3D printing. Might make an interesting model, something different.

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First time I have seen a photo of one actually in use, all the others showed the remains rotting away.

 

Jim

 

The photo of 79094 was taken by myself in Green Hill Quarry on 24-11-82.  The engineman is Pete Fisher an ex Toton man like me, the trainman at the first passenger door is Augustus Nelson.

 

We were on our way to an ore train derailment further south with food and drink for the crew clearing up the wreck, on arrival at the site we handed over to another crew and then walked past the derailed cars to the train locomotives and worked them light engine to Buchanan on the Atlantic Coast.

 

The three serviceable cars (91, 94 & 96) lasted a while longer but had become very unreliable, so much so that on occasions assistance was required to climb Kitoma Hill (a rise of 155mtrs over 15km.).  Assistance was usually in the form of an EMD SW900, it was just a case of locking couplers and then head for home 40 odd km's. away.

 

Russ p is quite correct about one car getting smashed up but I dont recall the no. at the moment. It was involved in a tragic accident resulting in the death of a member of staff and serious injuries to the enginman after the train had collided with a stalled logging truck on an ungated grade crossing in mid-'82.  The car was damaged beyond repair and was stored at Nimba for some time before been shoved into a nearby swamp.

 

Regards, Mick.

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This sketch is of a Robert Stephenson loco built for the New South Wales Railways out in Australia in the 1860s, and over the following years similar locos were built on this basic design because it was so useful.

I've based it on a weight diagram of a later model found on page 73 of Locomotives of New South Wales 1855-1980 Volume One by Alex Grunbach. A great source for information on old steamers.

I'm contemplating a model of it because it is a long boiler type that became extinct by the early part of the 20th century and so unusual compared to the normal RTR models.

A long boiler type meant that the rigid wheel base was completely under the boiler and the fire box hung out and over behind the rear driving axle.

This type was abandoned for being unstable at higher speeds say over 20 mph but was retained on mineral railways because their short wheel base and large boiler meant they could haul heavy loads around tight corners.

 

What do you think of my diagram which is drawn with an 00 model in mind, can I get the two rear wheels close to the middle pair with 00 flanges?

 

Where these Australian locos similar to long reboiled industrial types used in the UK?

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This sketch is of a Robert Stephenson loco built for the New South Wales Railways out in Australia in the 1860s, and over the following years similar locos were built on this basic design because it was so useful.

I've based it on a weight diagram of a later model found on page 73 of Locomotives of New South Wales 1855-1980 Volume One by Alex Grunbach. A great source for information on old steamers.

I'm contemplating a model of it because it is a long boiler type that became extinct by the early part of the 20th century and so unusual compared to the normal RTR models.

A long boiler type meant that the rigid wheel base was completely under the boiler and the fire box hung out and over behind the rear driving axle.

This type was abandoned for being unstable at higher speeds say over 20 mph but was retained on mineral railways because their short wheel base and large boiler meant they could haul heavy loads around tight corners.

 

What do you think of my diagram which is drawn with an 00 model in mind, can I get the two rear wheels close to the middle pair with 00 flanges?

 

Where these Australian locos similar to long reboiled industrial types used in the UK?

 

 

Ah-ha - a 19-class or its immediate ancestor!

 

Almost 20 minutes of the things in the wild here  19 class Darling Harbour

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Yes, actually a predecessor of the 19 class, the 17 class. (I must have a different edition of Grunbach, with a different page number). The 19 class came around a decade later, also of similar long boiler design, but these came from the drawing boards and factory of Beyer Peacock. (That should come as little surprise as, though we tend to associate the long boiler arrangement with Robert Stephenson, by the 1870s BP were producing similar locomotives in both tender and tank engine versions for such as the Minho - Douro in Portugal and the Gävle - Dala in Sweden).

 

There were certainly similarities to Stephenson long boiler locomotives serving the industries of the northeast of England (especially those assembled by Mort & Co with “wrap over” cabs), as well as those exports already alluded to.

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G'day, all,

 

EddieB is correct  in respect of the NSWGR 0-6-0s. The E17 class did arrive here in the 1860s, with the A93 (later Z19) class from 1877. Both were long-boiler locos from BP.

 

I have been toying with the idea of modelling one of the early GWR long-boiler locos, such as the ex-West Cornwall Railway's "St Just". With that in mind, I recently drove to the NSW Railway Museum at Thirlmere, to photograph preserved E18 and 1905. Here are my images, taken in the restricted museum spaces. They were taken to provide insight into the details I will need to add to my models.

 

I hope they are of some interest to others.

 

Regards,

 

Rob

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The 17 class were built by Stephenson & Co, not Beyer-Peacock. Several were also locally built and assembled by Mort and also Vale and Lacy. Number 18 is in dire need of a proper restoration because as she is displayed she represents nothing at all. The livery is a fiction, the chimney was fabricated during her restoration and the tender is from a 24 class and was also fitted during her 1960s restoration. Pre 1890 the New South Wales Railways did not seem to use any class designations in official documentation. The  A-Z designation was introduced in 1891 and went from numerically largest class (A) and downwards. There were a number of variations in the 17 class 0-6-0, with 4 of them having an enclosed cab. The 93 class were much more standardised!

 

Regards,

 

Craig W

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