RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted June 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2021 Completely disregarding the previous post…. TPOs Would be difficult for a RTR manufacturer to have a good go at given the massive variation of models needed for one train. the Great Western (Penzance) TPO would need L23, L21, L18, L22 (with an L25 needed for summer 47 onward) plus a full brake with offset corridor. With multiple different lengths across them. The South Wales TPO had another 3 diagrams (2 lengths). the L22 at least can be used in two workings (with the GW TPO and as a single coach in the Plymouth - Bristol TPO working). For inspiration, (and because I can’t resist showing photos of my favourite rake of coaches) L23 L21 L25 (prior to lining or varnishing it) L18 L22 A very average model of a K17 TPO brake 18 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2021 Many thanks for the PM Rich. But may I respectfully request readers that we don't have actual (pardon the pun!) posts for the moment - the reason is that it will 'double-up' on whatever the Mini-Poll Team puts together, and we want that to be as comprehensive as possible. There will be ample opportunity for comments, opinions and photos if we go ahead. Thanks for your understanding. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post gwrrob Posted June 20, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2021 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 So THAT'S what a finished and running layout looks like! I'd almost forgotten, judging from my current lack of progress. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 So that's what a running layout looks like, finished are they ever actually finished? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 20, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, MrWolf said: 3 minutes ago, KNP said: So that's what a running layout looks like, and running layout looks like! It hadn't been running well on the down main of late due to a broken controller but all's well now. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 9 hours ago, The Fatadder said: TPOs Would be difficult for a RTR manufacturer to have a good go at given the massive variation of models needed for one train. Yet again we get to the question of who exactly is the market for these models. Those on this thread, and other threads on RMweb, will like you care about exactly recreating what the GWR did in real operations in their chosen year. On the other hand, those who just like the GWR and its liveries won't care to do that research and go to those lengths to form an accurate train - in fact they are just as likely to throw a RTR GWR TPO into their randomly made up train. So would a RTR manufacturer create the complete line of TPO models for an accurate train? Doubtful. But could they (or a commissioner) choose the most popular variant (say chosen in a volunteer driven poll) and sell enough to make the venture profitable while making a lot of modellers happy? Probably. So if enough people support the idea with their likes, and if the people volunteering their time to actually run these polls feel it is worth their (much appreciated) effort, there is a valid reason to run such a poll on TPOs. (and who knows, maybe seeing a TPO in an attractive GWR livery in a model shop or at a show or online brings more GWR modellers, which makes more GWR models viable, etc.) 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 hours ago, mdvle said: So would a RTR manufacturer create the complete line of TPO models for an accurate train? Doubtful. But could they (or a commissioner) choose the most popular variant (say chosen in a volunteer driven poll) and sell enough to make the venture profitable while making a lot of modellers happy? Probably. Many thanks mdvle That was pretty much the angle we were aiming to come from. And, hence, my request for readers to not make suggestions on the thread as yet as we would wish to provide a 'full story' upon which voters could vote without any prior 'influence'. Brian (13 'likes' and counting! ) 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 20 hours ago, The Fatadder said: Completely disregarding the previous post…. TPOs Would be difficult for a RTR manufacturer to have a good go at given the massive variation of models needed for one train. the Great Western (Penzance) TPO would need L23, L21, L18, L22 (with an L25 needed for summer 47 onward) plus a full brake with offset corridor. With multiple different lengths across them. The South Wales TPO had another 3 diagrams (2 lengths). the L22 at least can be used in two workings (with the GW TPO and as a single coach in the Plymouth - Bristol TPO working). For inspiration, (and because I can’t resist showing photos of my favourite rake of coaches) L23 L21 L25 (prior to lining or varnishing it) L18 L22 A very average model of a K17 TPO brake Tasty and well above average......rather like the Wales Footy team, not that I have eaten any of them recently. 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 Hello everyone I'm pleased to say that my TPO posting on the previous page has attained 14 likes and 1 agree, so I am happy that we will run a TPO Mini-Poll as part of the series. Many thanks to all who 'ticked the box'. Brian 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) removed Edited June 21, 2021 by Coach bogie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 Hello Coach Bogie Many thanks for the above, but can I remind readers of what I said earlier (now repeated below): Rather than have any 'increased traffic' on the the thread can I ask: 2. If you would like us to consider any specific GWR TPO vehicles, please send me a PM (not a note on this thread). Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 Hello again Coach Bogie Many thanks for removing the post above mine and for your understanding and co-operation which is appreciated. The Mini-Poll Team will present 'a full case' at the time of the Poll. Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 Well I missed the Siphon vote deadline - but since there seems to be one or two GWR types on this thread, perhaps this is of interest: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Mikkel said: Well I missed the Siphon vote deadline - but since there seems to be one or two GWR types on this thread, perhaps this is of interest: I note the presence of a certain Mr Robertson on the team. If Western Times covers its chosen territory as eclectically, informatively and entertainingly as The Southern Way has been doing (since 2007) for we of that persuasion, you guys are in for a treat. John 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 Some on here might be interested in the latest Dapol posting on their forthcoming Manor model which shews decorated samples. There's a list of improvements needed. Any thoughts ? https://www.Dapol.co.uk/OO-Gauge-78xx-Manor-Locomotive-Decorated-Samples-Under-Review 8 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, gwrrob said: Some on here might be interested in the latest Dapol posting on their forthcoming Manor model which shews decorated samples. There's a list of improvements needed. Any thoughts ? https://www.Dapol.co.uk/OO-Gauge-78xx-Manor-Locomotive-Decorated-Samples-Under-Review Still no coupling hook on the buffer beam of the tender. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendennis Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 At last Dapol are doing a Post-WWII engine without a BR smokebox door number. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 38 minutes ago, toboldlygo said: Still no coupling hook on the buffer beam of the tender. It's only a pre-production sample 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenL Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) Thanks for flagging the Dapol Manor samples Robin. I'm interested in 7814 and maybe you are also given that she was one of the five Bristol-based Manor's in 1947, the furthest West any were shedded at that time. So it's a bit annoying that the 'G W R' is still placed centrally rather than offset to the rear of the tender so that the 'W' is not sitting on top of the central vertical line of rivets. It may be that Dapol are ultimately planning to produce 7814 with a flush sided tender, in which case the centrally placed 'G W R' would be correct as there would be no rivet heads to avoid. But if they're aiming to produce her with a riveted tender, the 'G W R' should be offset to avoid the rivet heads. It also looks like another new take on GWR loco green - I can't quite decide if it works or not; it looks a little flat but that may not be unprototypical. Edited June 22, 2021 by BenL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, Denbridge said: It's only a pre-production sample If they've 'borrowed' the tender chassis tooling from the Mogul it won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, BenL said: Thanks for flagging the Dapol Manor samples Robin. I'm interested in 7814 and maybe you are also given that she was one of the five Bristol-based Manor's in 1947, the furthest West any were shedded at that time. Of course Accurascale are doing 7814 with a riveted tender albeit in BR black livery. https://accurascale.co.uk/collections/gwr-7800-manor-class/products/7814-fringford-manor-br-manor-class 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I'm pleased to see there is some frivolity returning in line with the thread title ! Maybe Messrs. Dapol and Accurascale could couple up ? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, gwrrob said: Some on here might be interested in the latest Dapol posting on their forthcoming Manor model which shews decorated samples. There's a list of improvements needed. Any thoughts ? https://www.Dapol.co.uk/OO-Gauge-78xx-Manor-Locomotive-Decorated-Samples-Under-Review I'm not overly familiar with the products of Swindon, and it might just be the camera angle, the lighting or a combination of the two, but something about it looked a bit "off" to me. A couple of hours of poring over pics of the prototype, and comparing the images with the "other" Manor that's under development by Accurascale, and I finally realised what was bugging me. Allowing for the caveats in my first paragraph, does anybody else think the slope of the firebox top looks rather too steep? John 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2021 GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.2: Passenger Brake Vans, Monsters, Bullion & BR-built Siphon G Hello everyone Welcome to the second in our series of GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Polls. I am running them here with my friends, John Lewis, Chris Knowles-Thomas and Ian Taylor on Rob’s behalf. You will find ‘an indication’ of what we are looking at via the suggested example diagrams in parentheses. We simply cannot list every incarnation! The makers are tending to ‘tool up’ to cover as many variants as are commercially viable. For us, the mantra is: If it looks like a Passenger Brake Van, it probably is a Passenger Brake Van, or a member of the same family. In order to generate some debate – and some ‘learning opportunities’ – please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selections. I copy all ‘Comments Received’ in order of receipt – but with names removed – and post them as a PDF with the Results. Please note that we do not welcome comments that act as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! The Collett K41 was one inch wider than the K42 – barely perceptible in 00. However, the ‘lights’ (windows) of K42 are about 20% deeper. Of the two diagrams, the K41 offers more livery variations, but they were withdrawn earlier; most went between 1965 and 1968. The K42s were mainly withdrawn in 1976 and 1977. Hence, we have listed them separately. We appreciate that – technically – Monsters were classified as Bogie Covered Carriage Trucks, but it seems that they were more often used in the mode of scenery and parcels vehicles. Hence, we have them here rather than in our later Mini-Polls covering Road Vehicle Carriers and/or NPCCS. Here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the items listed plus the two ‘focused choice’ options (13 &14). 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7 – with comments and explanations following. My posting which follows should serve as an example. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Passenger Brake Vans 1 Passenger Brake Van. Dean. 40ft, four double doors per side (Diags.K14, K15 & K16) 2 Passenger Brake Van. Churchward. 57ft Steel-panelled Toplight. (Diag.K22) 3 Passenger Brake Van. Collett. 57ft Flat Ended, high waist style (Diag.K41) 4 Passenger Brake Van. Collett. 57ft Flat Ended, low waist style (Diag.K42) 5 Passenger Brake Van. Collett. 58ft 4½in Bow Ended ‘Ocean Mails’ (Diag.K38) 6 Passenger Brake Van. Collett. 59ft 10in Flat Ended, low waist style (Diag.K44) 7 Passenger Brake Van. Collett. 61ft 4½in Bow Ended, general service (Diag.K40) Monsters 8 Scenery & Parcels Van. Monster. Outside framed (Diag. P16) 9 Scenery & Parcels Van. Monster. Inside framed (Diag.P18 and P21 Giant rebuilds) 10 Scenery & Parcels Van. Monster. Inside framed. BR-built (Diags.P23 & P24 of 1953) Bullion Van 11 Bullion Van (eg Diags.M16 & M17) BR-built Siphon G 12 Siphon G – BR-built (Diag.O62 of 1951) 13 Your Focused Choice of Passenger Brake Van If there was only enough plastic available in the world to make just three of the Passenger Brake Vans, which would you choose? Please answer (such as): My focused choices of PBV are: 4, 5 & 6. 14 Your Focused Choice of Monster If there was only enough plastic available in the world to make just one of the Monsters, which would you choose? Please answer (such as): My focused choice of Monster is: 10 Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. You have until 17.00 on Saturday 19 June. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Sunday 20 June. I look forward to your selections and comments! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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