RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted August 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Just got a note from Hattons saying they "are no longer able to fulfil" my pre-order for a malachite green set .......... no further explanation - though we know there have been 'difficulties between the parties ! I have had the same email with all my Bachmann pre-orders listed on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Long-standing issue with them and looks like Bachmann are no longer supplying hattons 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The SR Malachite & SE&CR Wellington Brown birdcages are due December. Info from https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/availability/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 The sample on display at Warley looked good... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Not sure if this has been covered before, but by the time the coaches were painted in malachite, were they loose or still fixed sets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pre Grouping fan said: Not sure if this has been covered before, but by the time the coaches were painted in malachite, were they loose or still fixed sets? They were never loose. Apart from one set - 600 which was converted to make two push/pull sets 660 and 661. The rest were withdrawn en masse between 1956 and 1958. Some went to departmental service though. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 The correct shade of malachite debate, will no doubt, rumble on. But to my eyes Bachmann have nailed it. I worked in the Bluebell Railway C&W Dept. for many years, and was fortunate to see examples of genuine SR malachite first hand. The best sample we had was on a guards van door recovered from Stewarts Lane. This door was LSWR pattern, and importantly had never been used from new, so was not weathered. When I saw Bachmann's rendition of malachite on their Birdcage sample it compared well to my memory of that door. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Pre Grouping fan said: Not sure if this has been covered before, but by the time the coaches were painted in malachite, were they loose or still fixed sets? No doubt mentioned a few times over these pages but these 60' trio sets only had one dynamo - later two - to supply lighting to the whole set which couldn't, therefore, be split. Yes, that sample at Warley looked good : still shown as November delivery last time I looked - but that's obviously slipped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Wickham Green said: No doubt mentioned a few times over these pages but these 60' trio sets only had one dynamo - later two - to supply lighting to the whole set which couldn't, therefore, be split. Yes, that sample at Warley looked good : still shown as November delivery last time I looked - but that's obviously slipped. Thanks. Shame as a single brake would look good. The delivery date on the stand at warley was december along with quite a lot of other items Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 The grapevine says that the new birdcage coaches are now in Bachmann's warehouse, so distribution should start next week. RB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestburyJack Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) On 22/11/2019 at 22:24, Paul.Uni said: The SE&CR Wellington Brown birdcages..... When would they have been SE&CR brown, before or after SE&CR blue? Edited November 28, 2019 by PrestburyJack Tidy up post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 SECR Blue, that's news to me? Afaik the Wellington Brown in this run is the later livery after the lined livery of the first batch. Exact years I'm not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted November 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2019 I cannot give precise dates, but unlined Wellington Brown was brought in as a measure during the First World War. Shortages of pigments and manpower would have been behind the change - adding to the cost pressures on the railways during the conflict. The coaches were brought into service in the years immediately preceding the start if the war. Normally repainting would have been regular and probably on a 2-3 year cycle. It is likely that by 1918 all or at least most would have been in Wellington Brown, even though painting schedules probably became somewhat more flexible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I may be displaying wanton ignorance, but I would’ve thought that unlined livery wouldn’t be so expensive 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think what Andy's trying to say is "Shortages of pigments and manpower" were "adding to the cost pressures" so a less expensive unlined livery with cheaper materials was more or less inevitable. SECR blue : I know the Southern experimented with S.& D.J.R. blue on a few coaches ( sets ? ) but - without sources in front of me - I'm not sure any 'Chatham' vehicles were involved. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The SER had a rich dark rich blue for locos, I cannot remember if this was extended to coaches, if they were, then it would have been only SER types which run as such in early SECR days. These Birdcages are well into SECR days and more into the latter of half of SECR days, I don't think they ever did any dark rich blue livery. There might be some confusion in that the current South Eastern Railways do have EMUs in a dark rich blue livery which was probably inspire by the older SER loco liveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: I think what Andy's trying to say is "Shortages of pigments and manpower" were "adding to the cost pressures" so a less expensive unlined livery with cheaper materials was more or less inevitable. Umm, a misunderstanding, methinks. I was referring to Blue's model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, JSpencer said: ...... There might be some confusion in that the current South Eastern Railways do have EMUs in a dark rich blue livery ....... I'd hesitate to call the current colour 'rich' - I think 'drab' would be more appropriate : just like the old GNER colour - probably fine when fresh out of the paintshop but not for very long after. ( I say paint, it might be sticky-backed plastic for all I know.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 20 hours ago, wainwright1 said: The grapevine says that the new birdcage coaches are now in Bachmann's warehouse, so distribution should start next week. RB Distribution's already started ........ understand mine'll be here Monday. ( So I really MUST have another go at my EM gauge 'fix' ! ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted November 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 24/11/2019 at 21:00, Garethp8873 said: The sample on display at Warley looked good... I can agree! Now I've got them in my hands too, they look equally as good...! Birdcage SR Malachite - Full by Derails Models, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 My Wellington Brown Birdcages dropped by today and very pleased I am too. I suspect sales will be a tad slow with the rather high price point and drab appearance so maybe I'll get lucky and be able to pick up another rake off the bargain tables later in the year. Anyhoo, well done Bachmann. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Somewhere back on page twenty-something of this thread someone asked how to get into these coaches - and somewhere on page thirty-something someone proved that they'd managed to gain entry and install lighting ............................ bur I still can't figure out how to split the body from the chassis without applying more knife blades and brute force than I'm prepared to experiment with ! -------- HEEEEELP ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Somewhere back on page twenty-something of this thread someone asked how to get into these coaches - and somewhere on page thirty-something someone proved that they'd managed to gain entry and install lighting ............................ bur I still can't figure out how to split the body from the chassis without applying more knife blades and brute force than I'm prepared to experiment with ! -------- HEEEEELP ! It wasn't me but I had to take the body off to fix a broken close coupling mechanism. I used pieces of plasticard to wedge the clips away from the body. I did find that because the clips on each corner of the body are close to the ends so found it very hard to flex the body away from them. But whatever plastic they used flexed just enough and didn't crack on the corners. I modified the clips to make them slightly easier to remove again before reassembly "just in case". Edited February 10, 2020 by Pre Grouping fan 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 My usual tool is old business cards rather than Plastikard ............... but I don't see how it's possible to get anything into the gap with that continuous footboard blocking the angle of attack ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Wickham Green said: My usual tool is old business cards rather than Plastikard ............... but I don't see how it's possible to get anything into the gap with that continuous footboard blocking the angle of attack ! I'll take some photos when i'm home tonight to try and show how I managed to get inside them, It's not as painfully annoying as you might expect. Although it is still painfully annoying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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