RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2013 As many of you know I am currently scanning Dad's old black and white photos from 1947 to around 1955. Identifying the images is a fairly slow task as the numbers in Dad's notes do not always match the positions in the albums, for a number of reasons which I know about. Also there are sets of prints, often contact prints, for which I have no information at all. I think he did contact prints of everything and selected ones to print to postcard size or larger, anything up to 20x16. Over the years many had been lost or given away, along with almost all the negatives which were lost in a house move. Some of the locations I know, some I can work out by looking at other photos. That leaves me with some I cannot be sure, or even haven't got a clue about. I have to admit there are also a few of my own images where I have written down the wrong locations and cannot now identify them. I thought I would start this thread to use from time to time to post photos where I have got stuck and neither I nor friends can identify them. So as a starter here are two, which I think will prove suitably taxing. General clues are that he had track permits for quite large areas areas around Nottingham, Grantham, Rugby. He also lived for some time in Cambridge and may have had a track permit or at least easy access there and around March as well. J 1378 A wagon being lifted up a coaling plant somewhere. Could it be Colwick or Nottingham? Or somewhere else? A B1 in LNER livery, No 1056. There are no location clues in the image, does anyone know where it was shedded around 1947-9? Many thanks in advance for any help. More images will be added whenever I get stuck. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2013 www.brdatabase.info reports 1056 as being shedded at Ipswich from new to 1951, renumbered E1056 from 2/48 and 61056 from 8/49 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 As many of you know I am currently scanning Dad's old black and white photos from 1947 to around 1955. Identifying the images is a fairly slow task as the numbers in Dad's notes do not always match the positions in the albums, for a number of reasons which I know about. Also there are sets of prints, often contact prints, for which I have no information at all. I think he did contact prints of everything and selected ones to print to postcard size or larger, anything up to 20x16. Over the years many had been lost or given away, along with almost all the negatives which were lost in a house move. Some of the locations I know, some I can work out by looking at other photos. That leaves me with some I cannot be sure, or even haven't got a clue about. I have to admit there are also a few of my own images where I have written down the wrong locations and cannot now identify them. I thought I would start this thread to use from time to time to post photos where I have got stuck and neither I nor friends can identify them. So as a starter here are two, which I think will prove suitably taxing. General clues are that he had track permits for quite large areas areas around Nottingham, Grantham, Rugby. He also lived for some time in Cambridge and may have had a track permit or at least easy access there and around March as well. JVol1378.jpg J 1378 A wagon being lifted up a coaling plant somewhere. Could it be Colwick or Nottingham? Or somewhere else? JVol1381.jpg A B1 in LNER livery, No 1056. There are no location clues in the image, does anyone know where it was shedded around 1947-9? Many thanks in advance for any help. More images will be added whenever I get stuck. David Judging by all your previous shots, I reckon 31A Cambridge shed would be a front runner here. I certainly remember 61056 from the the '50s for what it is worth, and being shedded at Ipswich apparently, would have easily made it to Cambridge. Also for some reason the coaling tower at 31A was a 'famous' one, possibly because of ease of access? Mind you, so was 31B March... The shot of the B1 just somehow reminds me of the front of the shed, alongside platform 6. The well trodden ballast suggests somewhere busy, like the front of the shed, rather than out in the yards somewhere? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2013 2 more tonight. I've no idea where they were taken, though I have a feeling I should recognise them. I have no information at all about them. They are scanned from contact prints (I've trimmed the empty sky) and are not sharp which is probably why they do not exist as bigger prints. When looking at them it may be worth bearing in mind Dad's usual haunts, as outlined in the first post, though he did sometimes go to other places. Date probably 1947-9. Certainly not pre 47 as I think he was in India then. JVol1385 Ex GCR O4 in the foreground JVol1386 I think it's a B1 in the foreground on an ordinary passenger working judging by the headcode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I get the feeling that the one with the O4 in could be March? Only knowing March as it is now, with just the two platforms in use, there are others which would have led to the sharp curve towards Whitemoor yard under the bridge where the photo was taken from, although I'm darned if I could say how many disused platforms there are! The curve now starts from the end of the mainline (Peterborugh-Ely) platforms, which are furthest from the camera in that shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The second one is definately March with the Whitemoor lines curving off. First is probably looking the other way off the same bridge Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 26, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2013 I get the feeling that the one with the O4 in could be March? Only knowing March as it is now, with just the two platforms in use, there are others which would have led to the sharp curve towards Whitemoor yard under the bridge where the photo was taken from, although I'm darned if I could say how many disused platforms there are! The curve now starts from the end of the mainline (Peterborugh-Ely) platforms, which are furthest from the camera in that shot. The second one is definately March with the Whitemoor lines curving off. First is probably looking the other way off the same bridge Tony Many thanks to you both for the helpful comments. It also enables me to sort out a few other unknowns which now seem likely to be March. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyrush Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Many thanks to you both for the helpful comments. It also enables me to sort out a few other unknowns which now seem likely to be March. David Both shots are from Norwood Road bridge at March, looking in opposite directions. More please! Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Yup. Definitely Norwood Road Bridge looking in opposite directions. I've got similar shots myself albeit taken a few years later. Chris Turnbull Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 JVol1386s.jpg JVol1386 I think it's a B1 in the foreground on an ordinary passenger working judging by the headcode. This box diagram pretty much covers what's in the photo.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pwayowen/8538675233/in/photostream Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 26, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2013 This box diagram pretty much covers what's in the photo.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pwayowen/8538675233/in/photostream Many thanks, it all makes sense now. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 29, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2013 Two more I can't identify, but I don't hold out much hope of anyone knowing these in detail. I just hope I'm proved wrong! JVol1388 Obviously an O4. Likely to be in the Nottingham area on the Great Central - or is it on the GNR in (possibly) the Daybrook area? JVol1407 unknown place I think this Southern Mogul was taken somewhere between Exeter Central and Bude in August 1949 on Dad's honeymoon. Obviously taken from the train. Any ideas where? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Hi Dave, re the O4 something of a guess, although I'm sure I've seen a similar photo somewhere before, no idea where though! It could be the bridge over Arnold Road carrying the line from the GC at Bagthorpe Junction to the GN at Basford and Bulwell, later Basford North. Could, of course, also be the GC main line in the same area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2013 Hi Dave, re the O4 something of a guess, although I'm sure I've seen a similar photo somewhere before, no idea where though! It could be the bridge over Arnold Road carrying the line from the GC at Bagthorpe Junction to the GN at Basford and Bulwell, later Basford North. Could, of course, also be the GC main line in the same area. I thought of the same area, I'm sure I saw a picture of that bridge or one of the same type recently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2013 I'm with Paul at Halwill. That N is on the Padstow portion of an up service, while the photographer is on the Bude portion. The Bude portion would have arrived first in the up platform. The loco would then have run round and drawn its train back onto the Bude branch, where it is now arriving. The ladder to the right of the pic is on the front of #29 bracket signal, the Bude branch Up Home. The rather weak-looking lattice post carries a lamp for the Middle Siding. The 330-level gradient post is between the two. Irwell Press's book on the North Cornwall Railway has a gradient profile which shows such a 330-level just there on the Bude branch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2013 Re the O4, the picture I remembered was on the GC in the Hucknall area. It wasn't that road, further into the country probably, but had the same style of wing wall and lattice top. It was built at the time of the GC london Extension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 30, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2013 Many thanks to all of you for taking the time and trouble to do the research and sharing it.. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2013 Many thanks to all of you for taking the time and trouble to do the research and sharing it.. David The most fun thing I've done all day - trust me! We should thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2013 Given that JVol1391 posted today is at Loughborough Station, could the O4 be at the bridge over the Nottingham Road by the Brush Works in Loughborough? http://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/map/getobjectmap.php?rnum=L2181&mapid=453320.jpg&mlsref=1032&cmn=Loughborough Check out Google Earth's Street View, that telegraph pole is still there. (52°46'48.48" N 1°11'36.48" W) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 30, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2013 Given that JVol1391 posted today is at Loughborough Station, could the O4 be at the bridge over the Nottingham Road by the Brush Works in Loughborough? http://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/map/getobjectmap.php?rnum=L2181&mapid=453320.jpg&mlsref=1032&cmn=Loughborough Check out Google Earth's Street View, that telegraph pole is still there. (52°46'48.48" N 1°11'36.48" W) Looking at it again you could well be right. By the way, don't assume that the image numbers are chronological - I've discovered that many are not! Fortunately I do have a partial list of negatives for some years which helps a bit. I went under the bridge at Loughborough very many times as a child on my bicycle (and over it on trains), so I ought to have recognised it - I thought it was a bit familiar. Even the shadowy building looks like the end of the Brush building. Sometime I must ask Mum as she worked there designing turbines during the war (she is a mathematician). Many thanks. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 1, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2013 One for this afternoon. Probably taken fairly late in 1947. Loco is a Great Northern 0-6-0, perhaps a J2? But where is it? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 2, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2013 Two more for you today. Does no one know where yesterday's was taken? A B1, no number on the bufferbeam, probably taken early in 1948. Judging by the disc headcode for an ordinary passenger service it is on the Great Eastern. Once again I think I should know the location but cannot place it. A J6 taken in the early 1950s. In 1950 it was shedded at Grantham. I thought of Nottingham Victoria but am not quite sure. Can anyone confirm that (or suggest somewhere else?. These are the last unknowns from Volume 1 of Dad's images, later today I'll be starting on Vol 2, which I think are more fully captioned. If I come across any without locations I'll continue to post them here. David Edited for spelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Hi David, The first one is Stamford Midland Rly station. Cheers Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cocks Junction Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 One for this afternoon. Probably taken fairly late in 1947. Loco is a Great Northern 0-6-0, perhaps a J2? But where is it? Where is it GNR J2 perhaps 1947 JVol1431.jpg David I'll take a long shot on Fletton Road Junction, Peterborough. I have nothing whatsoever to back this up, but if I'm right it's Peterborough East off stage to the right and GNR Nene viaduct off stage to the left. The loco is headed from the GER lines towards the LNWR/MR (more probably the latter). I regret to say #24 top isn't Stamford MR; there was no covered bridge and the awnings are all wrong, at the very least. Unfortunately I can't place it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The lower photo in #24 is Nottingham Victoria. The loco is in the road immediately to the right of the loco in this shot. http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/n/nottingham_victoria/index36.shtml. The signal above the carriage roof and the pole above the tender, plus the retaining wall in the background all confirm it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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