Wendell1976 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 20/02/2021 at 10:31, F-UnitMad said: Highly modellable train length, too!! (for those of us in the UK especially!! ) I totally agree. It is only six cars on that train behind two locomotives. It looks like a local turn. Wendell Idaho, USA 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted February 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2021 38 minutes ago, Wendell1976 said: I totally agree. It is only six cars on that train behind two locomotives. It looks like a local turn. Wendell Idaho, USA Just wondering, when did it become standard practice to have two power units on trains like these - I’m presuming it’s for safety (so there is always a leading short hood)? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Here's a couple of pictures of the Trona Railway near Trona, California. The train is passing by the Trona Pinnacles in the northern part of the Mojave Desert. The Trona Railway is a 30.5 mile(48.8 kilometer) shortline railroad that serves primarily the mining industry and interchanges with the Union Pacific Railroad(formerly Southern Pacific Railroad) in Searles, California. Trona(town) is near the southwestern border of Death Valley National Park and is about 170 road-miles(272 road-kilometers) northeast of Los Angeles. https://www.railpictures.net/photo/341259/ https://www.railpictures.net/photo/538442/ Wendell Idaho, USA 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Keith Addenbrooke said: Just wondering, when did it become standard practice to have two power units on trains like these - I’m presuming it’s for safety (so there is always a leading short hood)? Good question, Keith. According to the Rail Pictures website, there had been some railroads that used two or more locomotives on local trains in the 1980's. Wendell Idaho, USA 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielB Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 14/12/2020 at 13:36, PaulRhB said: As per the name in the pic http://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/search?controller=search&orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=Punch&submit_search= Works like a charm too - especially for O scale... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 23 hours ago, Keith Addenbrooke said: Just wondering, when did it become standard practice to have two power units on trains like these - I’m presuming it’s for safety (so there is always a leading short hood)? Were there any double ended loco's in the US? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, JZ said: Were there any double ended loco's in the US? I certainly can’t think of any mainstream examples amongst diesels (as opposed to electrics, where there are several that could be cited). Across the continent, different railroads variously specified the control stands in cabs to be set up to run primarily short hood or long hood forward (or provided dual controls). From what I can tell, the move towards doubling up hood unit power as standard even on short trains was mainly to de-risk the problems that would be caused by a single locomotive failure (ie: not a regulatory requirement). For a quick, non-technical overview answer, that’s probably the best summary I can offer, Keith. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 CNJ had some Baldwin DR-6's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DR-6 1 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) As Keith says, there are some double-cab electrics, for example: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8rcqg7cRR58/UVfcnfDj6yI/AAAAAAAAvds/uO1uCV9uhGc/s1600/Milwaukee+Little+Joe+E74.JPG https://www.railpictures.net/photo/393900/ Union Pacific had a double-cabbed gas turbine, but (I believe) only one: https://i0.wp.com/digitalrailartist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/UP-50.jpg And this appears to be the only double-cabbed diesel to be produced for the North American market (as Jack has just posted): http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj2004n21.jpg Edited February 23, 2021 by pH Replace link 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, pH said: And this appears to be the only double-cabbed diesel to be produced for the North American market (as Jack has just posted): http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj2004n21.jpg Looks rather like a Nohab MY or MX, which may lead me to converting one to HOn3. If I can get one at a reasonable price. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielB Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I thought I'd contribute to the thread with a shot that has relevance to my latest layout project. Chesapeake & Ohio RSD5 #5584 on loan to the Interstate Railroad, seen at Tacoma Virginia during dieselisation trials in 1953. Photograph by H.L.Stuart Jr. https://hobbystop.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/582278.jpg?1610128970451 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 That's a heavy load for one loco! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Here's another picture of the Trona Railway near Trona, California. This is a "close-up" picture of the Trona Pinnacles. https://www.railpictures.net/photo/566193/ Wendell Idaho, USA 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Here's another beautiful picture of a British Columbia Railway train in Lillooet, British Columbia, Canada. The train is traversing the Fraser River Canyon. https://www.railpictures.net/photo/302737/ Wendell Idaho, USA 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielB Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 From the Facebook page of the North Carolina Department of Natural and Cultural Resources: "Choo Choo! The mountain train chugs along in Graham County, circa 1943. Constructed over steep grades through the Nantahala Mountains between Topton and Robbinsville in 1925, this 12.6-mile line was one of the nation's last railways to use steam locomotives before it shut down in 1970. Do you remember hearing the locomotive steam by? Image: Mountain railroad between Robbinsville and Tofton in Graham County, NC, October 1943, taken by Patrick. From the Department of Conservation and Development, Travel Information Division Photograph Collection, State Archives of North Carolina." 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2021 Is that running tender first, or pushing up the hill? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Regularity said: Is that running tender first, or pushing up the hill? The Graham County was included in Kalmbach’s 1978 “More Railroads you can Model.” There are a couple of pictures in the article showing engines pulling trains bunker first, but no references I can see in the text (I’ve just had a quick skim through). The steam locos were all geared Shay locos by the look of it. The photos aren’t entirely clear to me, and I don’t know much about Shays, but I think the gearing extends beneath the coal bunker / water tank in all cases. Some Shays weren’t tender engines. The track layout diagrams suggest there was a small Wye at the terminus, but not at the junction with the Southern, so turning might have been an issue anyway. Edit: see also additional post below after watching video in @long island jack’s post that follows this one. Edited February 27, 2021 by Keith Addenbrooke 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) Having watched the video link posted by @long island jack, I’ve had another look at the photos on the Kalmbach book: The principal locos of the Graham County were Shay locomotives Nos. 1925 / 1926. The video indicates these did have tenders, but with the gearing extended to the tenders. It is probably #1926 in the photo posted above by @DanielB A different loco, #1923 was used for a while and was a two truck engine (with no tender), as there’s a clear side-on photo of title. Apologies for my confusion earlier. Edited February 27, 2021 by Keith Addenbrooke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just found this through the Colorado Railroads FB group. There something for all tastes here. John B West photo's. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 This gradient is real - look at the rooflines of the buildings: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/765330/ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Pretty bleak landscape: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/768308/ 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted April 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, pH said: Pretty bleak landscape: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/768308/ When I looked at that photo I thought that it was from some years ago with all that SP gray till I looked at the date it was taken. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, roundhouse said: When I looked at that photo I thought that it was from some years ago with all that SP gray till I looked at the date it was taken. Yes, the Trona railway is in a pretty bleak part of the Mojave desert. There was a fabulous article in Trains, some years ago called RX for a broken jawbone, all about what happened when the timber lining of a tunnel on that route caught fire and they had to reinstate a shoofly from construction days with 1 in 30 gradients and very severe curves. I'll have to dig it out. Jamie Edited April 7, 2021 by jamie92208 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted April 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) This is my photo at Mojave on the Trona line taken in 2004 by the airport. Edited April 7, 2021 by roundhouse 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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