vectispete Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Hello Good to know these etches have been corrected, or are they all new items? The flush panel sections are screwed on with raised head countersunk screws, these are in holes which are countersunk into the timber with the steel panel punched into the countersunk, the result is a slightly raised head which has the appearance of a rivet. A minor detail: The waist panel just inboard of the Guards doors is made of slate, this was unpainted on vehicles when first transferred but certainly painted over by BR green days. Presumably this was for chalking on destinations for newspapers etc. I will certainly be interested in 2mm versions if/when available. Pete Not a lot of recent action on this topic, but I have recently finished a pair of SECR brakes, one of which is pictured here. The basis of the model is a laser cut kit which I commissioned from York Model Making, plus a laser cut wooden false roof over which I laid a custom etched flexible roof. The sides are by Bill Bedford, and are very reasonably priced. Bogies are from Roxey Mouldings (Fox Heavyweight), and the buffers are from Markits, and absolute beauties they are. The other exciting news is the release of a set of etched kits for three SECR IOW coaches from Worsley Works (Allen Doherty). I haven't started on these yet, but the raw etches look good. You can find the information here for ordering a set of etches from Allen:- http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_Southern_Pregroup_SECR.htm SECR brake S4138.jpg Chris Alton Hants Hi Chris Your colour looks good on your photo. I attach the colour of my SECR 6380 & 2447 , together with my representation of the malachite green version of LBSCR 4165 in EM gauge. It is quite difficult using original colour photos to see the exact shades that these should be. Mine look a little dark but am heartened to read Peter's (IWCR) comments that the paint actually darkened with time. Pete 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 They look lovely, and nicely weathered too. I haven't plucked up the courage to do that yet! This weekend I finished a Smallbrook Studio double verandah road van. I'm sorry to say it's a rather poor kit but it's good to have some variety in the brakevan department. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Those "red" carriages are exactly as I remember ones on the Southern. I have long had a suspicion that appearance of the red colour was highly dependent on the undercoat under it, particularly after a year or two in service. It was notable (and obvious in contemporary photos) that vehicles painted by the WR, presumably at Swindon, weathered to a much lighter colour in service - and I doubt whether the difference was due to the colour of the top coat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 They look lovely, and nicely weathered too. I haven't plucked up the courage to do that yet! This weekend I finished a Smallbrook Studio double verandah road van. I'm sorry to say it's a rather poor kit but it's good to have some variety in the brakevan department. Chris Hi Chris You should upload a photo for us. I have purchased 2 5 plank coal wagons and a 10t brake van from Smallbrook but haven't made a start as I need to establish whether the kit can be built to EM gauge standards. Alas I haven't been able to find out this. I think Cambrian kits do a 5 plank which may (?) be slightly better and possible easier to convert to EM gauge. I have a 3 sets currently completed plus a push pull set - what is the 'normal' level of sets that people have for their layout? I have set 495 to complete next. The Worsley kit trio make up 3/4 then I need to find a LBSC 6 compt. brake 3rd kit to complete but am currently searching for one. All will be in Malachite. Is there an exact date when each of the IOW coaches were painted red? I think I remember reading that 2412 was the first in July 1950. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Those "red" carriages are exactly as I remember ones on the Southern. I have long had a suspicion that appearance of the red colour was highly dependent on the undercoat under it, particularly after a year or two in service. It was notable (and obvious in contemporary photos) that vehicles painted by the WR, presumably at Swindon, weathered to a much lighter colour in service - and I doubt whether the difference was due to the colour of the top coat. Hi So you think that this shade of 'red' looks realistic? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Hi So you think that this shade of 'red' looks realistic? Pete A couple more coaches for Merstone layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Hi Chris You should upload a photo for us. I have purchased 2 5 plank coal wagons and a 10t brake van from Smallbrook but haven't made a start as I need to establish whether the kit can be built to EM gauge standards. Alas I haven't been able to find out this. I think Cambrian kits do a 5 plank which may (?) be slightly better and possible easier to convert to EM gauge. I have a 3 sets currently completed plus a push pull set - what is the 'normal' level of sets that people have for their layout? I have set 495 to complete next. The Worsley kit trio make up 3/4 then I need to find a LBSC 6 compt. brake 3rd kit to complete but am currently searching for one. All will be in Malachite. Is there an exact date when each of the IOW coaches were painted red? I think I remember reading that 2412 was the first in July 1950. Pete The chassis is a single piece of resin - highly unlikely it could be done in EM. Your coaches are lovely! I still have some way to go... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The chassis is a single piece of resin - highly unlikely it could be done in EM. Your coaches are lovely! I still have some way to go... Here's a photo of my rather botched model! Quality of original castings is such that I might have been better scratchbuilding! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted October 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2018 A couple more coaches for Merstone layout. They look seriously good! What kit(s) have you used for the Brighton brakes? I'm aiming to build up 6 sets for Cowes - one for each decadeish (so olive 4-wheelers, olive bogies , malachite bogies, crimson bogies, BR green bogies), with a second set in either crimson or green (or a mixture) as that's my main era. I think it'll take a long time to get there though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hi So you think that this shade of 'red' looks realistic? Pete Yes. It would appear a bit pinker perhaps if newly washed but, with the weathering, that looks about right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Here's a photo of my rather botched model! Quality of original castings is such that I might have been better scratchbuilding! Double Verandah Brake Van.jpg Hi Chris I think that looks very good from that photograph. Good work and well painted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 They look seriously good! What kit(s) have you used for the Brighton brakes? I'm aiming to build up 6 sets for Cowes - one for each decadeish (so olive 4-wheelers, olive bogies , malachite bogies, crimson bogies, BR green bogies), with a second set in either crimson or green (or a mixture) as that's my main era. I think it'll take a long time to get there though! The Brighton's were Alan Gibson kits. He sold to David Geen, but I do not think that he's health is the best at present so is looking to sell his business (I am sure I have read this somewhere). Google searching David Geen still shows the kits listed. Also I think Roxey Models do a range. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hi The latest addition to the fleet - LBSCR 6986 'observation' coach that was used on 'The Tourist' 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hi The latest addition to the fleet - LBSCR 6986 'observation' coach that was used on 'The Tourist' and this photo shows the interior. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 What a superb model! Where does the Class 24 fit into the story? I have that coach from a Worsley Works kit but it doesn't look as good as yours! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectispete Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 What a superb model! Where does the Class 24 fit into the story? I have that coach from a Worsley Works kit but it doesn't look as good as yours! Chris This is from a Worsley Works kit in 1950 livery. It is on a friend's layout. He takes a good photo also which helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 I thought readers of this topic would be interested to see what I have been working on with Linny of Linny's Lasercutting. These are 1mm ply body and roof shells for LBSCR coaches, specifically the two types for which Bill Bedford supplies etched brass sides. There's still some checking to be done - this is the first test cut. The plan would then be to add a card roof, thin overlays for the coach ends, plus buffers, bogies and scratchbuilt underframe. Not ready for production yet, but well on the way! Chris Gardner Alton Hampshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 IMG_20181031_182125266.jpgI thought readers of this topic would be interested to see what I have been working on with Linny of Linny's Lasercutting. These are 1mm ply body and roof shells for LBSCR coaches, specifically the two types for which Bill Bedford supplies etched brass sides. There's still some checking to be done - this is the first test cut. The plan would then be to add a card roof, thin overlays for the coach ends, plus buffers, bogies and scratchbuilt underframe. Not ready for production yet, but well on the way! Chris Gardner Alton Hampshire IMG_20181031_180559190_HDR.jpg Looks very promising ! ............... can Bill Bedford not be persuaded to do etched ends to suit ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 We ar Looks very promising ! ............... can Bill Bedford not be persuaded to do etched ends to suit ? We are envisaging that some aspects of the ends will be thin card, cut on a Silhouette cutter or a laser. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Interesting news - 54' IOW stock heavily backed in the 2018 wish list ! (4mm scale) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Lord Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I hesitate to ask this question of a group of proficient kit builders, but... Given the lack of RTR bogie coaches short enough to use on an island layout, has anyone considered cutting a couple of compartments out of the middle of a Bachmann SECR Birdcage? With modifications to the underframe and a couple of pieces of plastic for strengthening, I believe the two halves could be put back together quite convincingly. I ask this heretical question because I do not trust my ability to apply the livery to a kit! Has anybody tried something similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Yes it could be done but an expensive model to cut up (and risk getting it wrong). It would also not be correct as these models are a later type of birdcage with a different moulding style. The Island brakes had also lost the Birdcage and had part of the brake van flush sheeted, doing this would make a mess of the finished livery anyway. These ran on the Island post WW2 hence correct liveries are Malachite or BR which are readily do-able, the elaborate lined SR Olive would be wrong. I believe it has been done however and hopefully someone will post details. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, IWCR said: The Island brakes had also lost the Birdcage and had part of the brake van flush sheeted, ........ ...... and that was only the START of the rebuilding / re-sheeting ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 28/05/2020 at 09:23, Peter Lord said: I hesitate to ask this question of a group of proficient kit builders, but... Given the lack of RTR bogie coaches short enough to use on an island layout, has anyone considered cutting a couple of compartments out of the middle of a Bachmann SECR Birdcage? With modifications to the underframe and a couple of pieces of plastic for strengthening, I believe the two halves could be put back together quite convincingly. I ask this heretical question because I do not trust my ability to apply the livery to a kit! Has anybody tried something similar? Yep - @Bluebell Model Railway did some surgery on a Birdcage brake coach, a very effective cut and shut. Apologies Matt, i'm sure there are photos somewhere, but maybe you'd like to share them here too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 It was a cut an shut but nothing isle of wight related as it was I think 2ft longer than what ran on the island... and not very suitable for making it in to anything iow related. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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