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Dear All,

 

More photos of my experiments with the rail viaduct. I think the techniques will work. Please read the last post on the prior page in conjunction with this one. 

 

 Rounded pier front in place.

 

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Brick surface on the underside of the arch. I used a misprinted sheet to test the thickness of the card.

 

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The section covering under the arch and wrapped over the front of the arch covered by a separately printed brick section covering the diameter of the arch front. IMG_5648V2.jpg.c55e11f42234c356a0ff6119913f03e7.jpg

 

Brickwork added above the resin stone and the round pillar back in place.

 

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Obviously all of the resin surfaces will be painted using mortar coloured paint and then dry brushed onto the stone surfaces before any paper surfaces are added. None of the pictures above have any of the paper brick permanently attached, so the brick arch front is slightly misaligned.   I have sprayed all of the brick paper with matte varnish. I shall add a few plasticard strips between the different surfaces to more closely replicate the viaduct. The flat resin brick will be dark red in colour. 

 

Regards,

 

Anthony Ashley

 

  

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Hi Anthony 

 

Wow, those Arches are looking brilliant...  I like the way you have made the Curved Vertical Upright Structure between the Arches, that's photo's were interesting to look at on your Step-By-Step progress on How-To's, you should write your own N-Gauge Model Book in Detail using those type of photo's. It good that Ross comes over to help you out in Modelling your layout.

 

Interestingly, Peter was a Book Publisher and his business Partner Paul Harrison, who between them have produced a series of Wagon Books under Cheona Publications. I have most of them now, as most are now out of Print but do come up from time to time for sale and they are of Wagons so there are several books in the series, E.G (there a good 25 or so approximate) 

GWR Wagons Before 1948 Vol.1 & Vol. 2,

British Railways Private Owner Tank Wagons,

British Railways Vans Vol. 1 Vol.2,

British Railways Private Owner Wagons Opens & Hoppers, 

British Railways Wagons Engineer's Stockal - 1,

An Illustrated History of the ICI Hopper Wagon by Paul Harrison

That's to name just a few of the 25 plus books. I have recently just bought one of the last books I needed, as they don't always come up for sale often, but I like to look at them as there are so many types of wagons and the details of each are excellent for correct bogies and Brake Boxes/Pipes, Springs Couplings etc. 

 

Paul Harrison as just released a new book under a new publisher for his latest book in late 2019, entitled Freight in the Peak District by Paul Harrison and is in the final stages of his second book to be published some time this year I think. Paul as excellent knowledge on many things like the Wagons and the 3/4 Letter Acronym that each wagon as. He is on RMWeb ID: pharrc20 aka Paul Harrison.  You can see where GTD Layout took there inspiration from in some of the books that both Peter and Paul as produced either together or individually, and the actual building that Peter scratch built for GTD layout. Paul's latest Book Releases is based on Peak District in the UK and the use of  the ICI Hoppers.

 

Another Question on the Viaduct...

I was looking on Earth Google (See Photo's Below) and just before the Road enters Pen-Y-Clip Tunnel, Is the Viaduct  that seems to have 13 Arches in Length, is this the Viaduct we are referring to in your own modelling of ...? (Just so I know I am on the right page) Its a lot further down the line than I though after looking on Earth Google. I also tool the measurements on the whole Length of the Viaduct, if that helps you. (You may already of passed this point due to seeing your photos in the above posts of your. Measured in FEET...!

 

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Length of Both Arch & Rounded Pier (Below)

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Anthony, I am looking at the correct area of what I think must be the Viaduct...?

Just so I know where I'm going when the Sun gives me the chance to go and take some photo's etc...

 

Regards 

Jamie

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Jamie,

 

The N Gauge  modeller in Brisbane who is doing my 3D printing has a very extensive library of British wagon and coach books which I am fortunate enough to access. It is likely that a number of the books you have listed above are in his library. My library is quite modest but  I have supplemented those photos  with everything I can find on  line.

 

In terms of your viaduct assessment you are correct. The relevant viaduct is the 13 arch rail viaduct sitting below the 7 arch (I think- it is in the shed) road viaduct. I am not aware of any other viaducts in the immediate vicinity. I used Goggle earth to measure the length of the viaduct and have looked up the dimensions on line. I needed to do this prior to cutting the ply. I have looked at the Goggle Earth view of the viaduct quite often in the last 2 years!!

 

The weather in Brisbane has been very hot over the last 2 days so less work on the rail viaduct, as much of the work needs to be done in my workshop in the garage. I do have another 7 resin pieces to fit on the faces of the viaduct. I may recommence work on the tenement houses in Bangor.

 

Regards,

 

Anthony Ashley

 

  

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Hi Anthony

 

I forgot to say at the end of my last post, I hope you get better soon... from licking your wounds... as you put it lol  Well, I hope you are feeling much better now... mate...! 

 

Regarding the Viaduct.

That's good we are looking at the right area on the MAP, its a shame that on Earth Google when you go down to street view, that there is no view of the Viaduct either, I tried several times and as its out to sea on the outer edge, you can't even look back at it, so to speak which is quite annoying lol

 

Plus, to enable to Drone, I had wanted to see how far in MILES from my nearest airport, as I can't be with in 5 Miles of any Small Airport, (10 Miles on Bigger or Major Airports) and we have Caernarfon Airport (Over 10 Miles) and on (Isle of) Anglesey there is Mona Airport (Over 15 Miles) but I'm good on the Millage, and a lot further than I thought to, but I just needed to check that out. 

 

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Jamie

 

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Hi Anthony

 

Well I have been out to assess the situation to day, weather wasn't that good and only started to rain once I started to walk back to my care, but I was impressed to say the least... to see the Viaduct in person...

 

13 Arches and How many Car Arches are there...? I counted 6 possible 7 but the angle didn't helps, and it looked as if the last Road arch turned out of view as you see the Road bend to the Left in the distance, on the Second Photo below. 

 

I only took a little over 900 Photo's so not to many lol but I differently need to go again, I did spot one man walking around near the arches down on the beach, so my next attempt will be from beach level looking up, and that will give me some great photos of the road Arches behind, and will be able to take photo's of the Sea facing side of the Viaduct for you, rather than the inner side or road side of the railway arches.

 

Facing towards Bangor...

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Facing towards Bangor...

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Train is heading towards Penmaenmawr...

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Train is heading towards Penmaenmawr...

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Looking towards Penmaenmawr...

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Jamie

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Penmaenmawr Viaduct 1 of 3

 

The next views are looking directly down to each individual Arch and are in order from Arch 01 to Arch 13, going from right to left or Penmaenmawr to Llanfairfechan and on to Bangor.

 

Arch No. 01

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Arch No. 02

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Arch No. 03

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Arch No. 04

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Regards

Jamie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Penmaenmawr Viaduct 2 of 3

 

The next views are looking directly down to each individual Arch and are in order from Arch 01 to Arch 13, going from right to left or Penmaenmawr to Llanfairfechan and on to Bangor.

 

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Arch No. 06

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Arch No. 07

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Arch No. 08

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Jamie

 

 

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Penmaenmawr Viaduct 3 of 3

 

The next views are looking directly down to each individual Arch and are in order from Arch 01 to Arch 13, going from right to left or Penmaenmawr to Llanfairfechan and on to Bangor.

 

Arch No. 09

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Arch No. 10

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Arch No. 11

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Arch No. 12

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Arch No. 13

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Jamie

 

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Hi Anthony

 

View looking towards Bangor, and this is Llanfairfechan which is the next stop after Penmaenmawr.  The small Terracotta building on the far Right below nearest the sea is the Pavilion Cafe where I go regularly to lunch or cuppa-tea, when ever family come up to visit me... highly recommended and good value for money to...

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Taken from the Flyover Footpath over the carriageway looking at Llanfairechen and on towards Bangor...

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The small Terracotta building on the far Right below nearest the sea is the Pavilion Cafe.

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Jamie

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Hi Anthony

 

An old building with no Slate Tiles on the Roof, just a shell of a stone building...

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I did wonder if it was a small engine shed for a small steam loco, when I got to this side of the building to see a full opening. unless it was an old slip way down to the see fore Life Guard etc, as you can see slate or concrete floor rather than sleepers.

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If you need more of the Windows etc and the un-slated roof, just give me the nod, and I can upload more, if this may be a building to model.

 

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Jamie

 

 

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I have to say that does look like a loco shed to me. In close up there seems to be a rail inside the shed and there are two parallel lines of rust on the ground one leading from the apparent rail closest to the sea and one around the right distance from that closer to the current track. If it isn't a loco shed it's doing a bang up job of impersonating one. The roof might be a later replacement one because I would expect to see evidence of ventilation holes which don't seem to be there, it could be a lifeboat station and slipway but they tend to point the sharp end towards the sea. my money would be on a loco shed. Or could it be a storage shed for a Pway trolly of some kind? Interesting building nonetheless.

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The semicircular structure above the end door has one angled louver left at the top and the other end of the building has the ghost of the same sort of structure hiding under the render which hints at a lot of ventilation so my money is still on a loco shed.

Regards once again Lez.

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1 hour ago, lezz01 said:

I have to say that does look like a loco shed to me. In close up there seems to be a rail inside the shed and there are two parallel lines of rust on the ground one leading from the apparent rail closest to the sea and one around the right distance from that closer to the current track. If it isn't a loco shed it's doing a bang up job of impersonating one. The roof might be a later replacement one because I would expect to see evidence of ventilation holes which don't seem to be there, it could be a lifeboat station and slipway but they tend to point the sharp end towards the sea. my money would be on a loco shed. Or could it be a storage shed for a Pway trolly of some kind? Interesting building nonetheless.

Regards Lez. 

 

Hi Lez

 

Now you have and pointed it out, I can see the rails just coming out the shed now...

and yes I guess Life Boat Shed face the sea like you say... It's actually facing away from Llanfairechen Station, and the rails coming out of the shed are pointing towards the Viaduct and on to Penmaenmawr, I would have expected it to face towards the station unless there were other track down prior to the carriageway being built.

 

Thanks Lez for that insight...

 

Regards

Jamie 

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These are a few taken at the far end of Penmaenmawr at the Llandudno End or Conwy look back towards Bangor, as you look across at the Penmaenmawr Viaduct seen in the bottom Right-Hand corner and give a better view of the Car Viaduct to, despite the distance.

 

 

Below Photo... if you follow the Railway line (Extreme Left & Nearest to me) the White dot you can see under thr railway bridge in the distance is the Signal box just as the railway curves round to go through Penmaenmawr Railway Station.

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Below Photo's... are of the Pen-y-clip Tunnel and the right and below the railways Tunnel with the Penmaenmawr Viaduct seen after that...

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Close Ups... The Larger Road Viaduct can be clearly seen with the Railway Viaduct in front below...

(I altered the Photo to make it brighter or clearer to see)

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Close Ups... The Larger Road Viaduct can be clearly seen with the Railway Viaduct in front below...

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Close Ups... The Larger Road Viaduct can be clearly seen with the Railway Viaduct in front below...

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Jamie

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Hi All

 

Below... Photo is take in Penmaenmawr and the Aggregate Loader Building and its difficult to get photo's from this side of the building due to the carriageway...  I last saw this being used in 2009 by Class 66 Freightliner and Freightliner box type looking Wagons, I have more to follow on this building as I need to visit to take more photo's of the Building and the Conveyor Belts System which runs up through the village and in to the Aggregate / Quarry.

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Hi All

 

I noticed, in Penmaenmawr Railway Station... The nearest me, (Llandudno / Conwy / Chester Line) side of the Track is Concreate sleepers

Yet, on the other side, (Llanfairfechan / Bangor / Holyhead Line) there still seems to be the old Wooden Sleepers. 

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Close Ups of the Track and Sleepers...

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Close-Up... Llandudno / Conwy / Chester Line Track are Concrete Sleepers... 

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Close-Up...  Llanfairfechan / Bangor / Holyhead Line Track are still the Old Wooden Sleepers... 

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Jamie

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