AberdeenBill Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 This one , you mean:- http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/4487366525/in/set-72157603653607671 Great shot. Also of interest is the thoroughly non-standard "departmentalisation" of the carriage-series number by adding a D prefix! Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalie Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Great shot. Also of interest is the thoroughly non-standard "departmentalisation" of the carriage-series number by adding a D prefix! Bill I thought the number was in the BR ex-LMS departmental series and it was the M suffix that was the non standard admission. Cinema coaches are an interesting variant of departmental vehicle where several examples were painted in blue/grey that otherwise they would not have received. The attached generator car in this pic is also of interest in that it appears to be DB975056 that was converted from the prototype Mk1 horsebox M96300 and appears to be painted rail blue. A photo of it appears here http://www.departmentals.com/photo/975056. In a similar vein is the ex-Southern Railway cinema coach and Generator car- DS1308 and DS1309 which were painted almost in blue/grey. It appears that the rail grey was actually white and predated the corporate livery by getting repainted in 1964. Marc Models do a kit for these vehicles http://www.marcmodels.co.uk/html/cinema_coach_-_generator_van.html which I believe Mr Muspratt has examples of on Fisherton Sarum The next photo in the above set shows another interesting departmental vehicle in blue/grey- this being DW150350 which is ex Hawksworth BG W297W in use a generator car for a Cinema Coach. Think this was the only Hawksworth BG to receive blue/grey- albeit not in revenue use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Sorry, Natalie is of course quite correct, the number is in the ex-LMS departmental series with a non-standard M suffix. Apologies, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Sorry, Natalie is of course quite correct, the number is in the ex-LMS departmental series with a non-standard M suffix. Apologies, Bill When carrying out wagon censuses for British Steel in the early 1970s, I found another vehicle numbered like this- a BR 1/108 mineral! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalie Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Something I forgot to add in reply to Ceptic's post earlier (when I pressed the 'disagree' button) about the only LH blue/grey SR coaches being the Maunsell TPOs was the reason why I disagreed. Two of the four 1959 Ambulance Car conversions (mentioned by AberdeenBill at the start) from diag 2654 Nondescript saloon brakes received blue/grey. These were S7920S and S7923S. A colour shot of S7923S at Stewart's Lane in 1973 by Keith Gunner is available in the phot section of BRCS yahoo group as well as some other useful info and pics on other blue/grey LHCS to pre-nationalisation designs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted June 28, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2013 In a similar vein is the ex-Southern Railway cinema coach and Generator car- DS1308 and DS1309 which were painted almost in blue/grey. It appears that the rail grey was actually white and predated the corporate livery by getting repainted in 1964. Marc Models do a kit for these vehicles http://www.marcmodels.co.uk/html/cinema_coach_-_generator_van.html which I believe Mr Muspratt has examples of on Fisherton Sarum Hi Natalie I do indeed, but as can be seen here http://grahammuz.com/2011/12/19/talking-stock-5-sr-inspection-and-cinema-coaches/ mine are of course in malachite green rather than blue and grey. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 The WR had one based at Craven Arms; I think a lot of vehicles from that ended up in preservation. They used to be kept in a substantial shed on the Up side. Correct me if I am wrong but were they no kept in the old mpd? And memory does serve me correctly. Those coaches are now running up and down the SVR. I wasn't sure if this had been an old MPD or not, as I didn't encounter it until the late 1960s; what did strike me was how well-maintained the building was. Alas you're wrong - they lived in what had been a carriage shed I used to travel through Craven Arms on a regular basis, and I always wondered why that shed survived when everything else had been flattened. Now I know! Thanks Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 1, 2013 The last pre-war LMS passenger carrying coach, SLF M376, was withdrawn April 1968, painted blue and grey. 12 wheel sleeping car W9048W in maroon was still in use in mid 1968. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 The last pre-war LMS passenger carrying coach, SLF M376, was withdrawn April 1968, painted blue and grey. 12 wheel sleeping car W9048W in maroon was still in use in mid 1968. Mike. Interesting. The blue & grey LMS sleepers I saw trapped in Holyhead after the 1970 Britannia Bridge fire must have been postwar vehicles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I thought the number was in the BR ex-LMS departmental series and it was the M suffix that was the non standard admission. Cinema coaches are an interesting variant of departmental vehicle where several examples were painted in blue/grey that otherwise they would not have received. The attached generator car in this pic is also of interest in that it appears to be DB975056 that was converted from the prototype Mk1 horsebox M96300 and appears to be painted rail blue. A photo of it appears here http://www.departmentals.com/photo/975056. In a similar vein is the ex-Southern Railway cinema coach and Generator car- DS1308 and DS1309 which were painted almost in blue/grey. It appears that the rail grey was actually white and predated the corporate livery by getting repainted in 1964. Marc Models do a kit for these vehicles http://www.marcmodels.co.uk/html/cinema_coach_-_generator_van.html which I believe Mr Muspratt has examples of on Fisherton Sarum The next photo in the above set shows another interesting departmental vehicle in blue/grey- this being DW150350 which is ex Hawksworth BG W297W in use a generator car for a Cinema Coach. Think this was the only Hawksworth BG to receive blue/grey- albeit not in revenue use. Many thanks for putting me right, Natalie , regarding the ex SR Cinema coach and Generating van Apologies for my jumping the gun. These pics, courtesy of model-railways-live / flickr, of the real mcoy, at Euston ?, show the pair in decidedly ? Blue / Grey with White dividing line. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/userfiles/image/News/marc_models_cinema_coach_gen_van_1a.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/News/360/Marc_Models_launch_SR_and_BR_Cinema_Coach_and_Generator_Van&h=474&w=784&sz=110&tbnid=FrfXMTrtMgTIbM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=147&zoom=1&usg=__2EA7UoqxryNtB6IUlNHjkK3GLpk=&docid=cJbdC4EACG4l8M&sa=X&ei=Ez_RUZ7zB6Ow4QSDgIE4&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAQ&dur=456 https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/userfiles/image/News/marc_models_cinema_coach_gen_van_2.jpg Edited July 2, 2013 by Ceptic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2013 These pics, courtesy of model-rail-live / flickr, of the real mcoy, at Euston ?, BNS. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted July 2, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2013 The largest category of late survivors into blue/grey among passenger coaches were ex LNER buffets , with two Gresley buffets making it into 1976 and a Thompson buffet lasting as late as 1978 Small numbers of LMS and LNER design sleepers survived until 1971-2 (though they may actually have been built after 1948) Amongst NPCS , the Maunsell Van Bs and PMVs survived until 1986, and Stanier/Period 3 LMS BGs into the early 80s I saw a 12-wheel LMS design sleeper at Carlisle in July 1974. Our group attracted the interest of the Transport Police as we were examining the carriage at close quarters and it was at the height of IRA activity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 BNS. Mike. Thanks Mike. New Street... Makes me wonder where else these got to, and where the public were invited in. I was, previously, under the impression that this set was for use by 'Staff Only', within the S.R. / S.Region. These pics show how wrong I can be. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS239 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) This one , you mean:- http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/4487366525/in/set-72157603653607671 Interesting,It looks like it has appeared on film here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvzrjCQGB4 at 8.55,-would anyone like to comment on the other vehicles in the train? -especially the 6W coach in blue/grey livery... [Apologies if this has already been discussed elsewhere] Edited October 6, 2013 by DS239 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 IIRC, at least one ex LMS designed (12 wheeled?) sleeper is still in B/G at Carnforth, You can see it in the south yard from the WCML. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben04uk Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 This appears to be an LMS coach in blue/grey http://www.flickr.com/photos/110691393@N07/12178224643/in/set-72157638438054524 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2014 This appears to be an LMS coach in blue/grey http://www.flickr.com/photos/110691393@N07/12178224643/in/set-72157638438054524 That's one of the Euston-Birmingham-Manchester/Liverpool sets which had a Porthole BSK in 1967/8 due to shortage of new stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 LMS port hole stock was still in use in blue/grey when I joined BR in 1973. Only a few brake coaches from what I remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reading General Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Something I forgot to add in reply to Ceptic's post earlier (when I pressed the 'disagree' button) about the only LH blue/grey SR coaches being the Maunsell TPOs was the reason why I disagreed. Two of the four 1959 Ambulance Car conversions (mentioned by AberdeenBill at the start) from diag 2654 Nondescript saloon brakes received blue/grey. These were S7920S and S7923S. A colour shot of S7923S at Stewart's Lane in 1973 by Keith Gunner is available in the phot section of BRCS yahoo group as well as some other useful info and pics on other blue/grey LHCS to pre-nationalisation designs. as one-time owner of this coach, I'd love to see this photo....can anyone give me a link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reading General Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 as one-time owner of this coach, I'd love to see this photo....can anyone give me a link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetmorgan Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just to add a bit extra to this thread. I know this thread is more about Southern & Western coaches but I came across this page in the March 1967 copy of Model Railway Constructor. Showing a LMS porthole Brake in blue/grey in an article A new livery for British Rail giving details of the new BR corporate image. Sadly no number is recorded or readable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just to add a bit extra to this thread. I know this thread is more about Southern & Western coaches but I came across this page in the March 1967 copy of Model Railway Constructor. Showing a LMS porthole Brake in blue/grey in an article A new livery for British Rail giving details of the new BR corporate image. Sadly no number is recorded or readable. It is the same photo as is included in my 1977 Essery and Jenkinson tome......which I've packed away as we're moving house next week. M27001M rings a bell, which is now preserved on the SVR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetmorgan Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 It is the same photo as is included in my 1977 Essery and Jenkinson tome......which I've packed away as we're moving house next week. M27001M rings a bell, which is now preserved on the SVR It could be...alas I don't have that tome so couldn't confirm or deny. Once you've moved house make sure that is the first thing you look for... the kettle, tea things and food...you have to have priorities 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 From my notes:- The following Hawksworth SK's were painted blue and grey W1719W W2135W W2283W The following were all LMS design SLF's were also painted blue and grey M376M M378M M380M M385M M387M M388M M391M M392M M395M M398M M400M LMS design SLSTP to receive blue and grey M603M M606M M607M M609M M621M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2016 There is a list somewhere on Robert Carroll's Yahoo Group for Loco Hauled Coaching Stock giving details of remaining pre-nationalisation designs which got as far as Blue/Grey livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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