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On the same day a railtour ran to Bude formed of a three car class 120. Does anyone have information on or pictures?

This was the North Cornwall Farewell Railtour organized by the Great Western Society and the headcode was 1Z10. The tour ran from Plymouth via Bodmin Road, Wadebridge, Launceston and Halwill to Bude, before retracing the outward journey back to Plymouth via Wadebridge. I understand that the tour also visited Okehampton - can anyone confirm? This tour was worked by a 3-car Class 120 Swindon Cross-Country unit and although I don't have the full details regarding this DMU, the DMBC was W51581.

 

I believe that the return leg of this railtour was the last train to traverse the North Cornwall Line westbound from Launceston to Wadebridge. 

 

There are a number of photos of this railtour on the Cornwall Railway Society website, but beware of some of the photo captions!

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

 

If anyone else has further details, please let us know.

 

Regards

Mark

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This was the North Cornwall Farewell Railtour organized by the Great Western Society and the headcode was 1Z10. The tour ran from Plymouth via Bodmin Road, Wadebridge, Launceston and Halwill to Bude, before retracing the outward journey back to Plymouth via Wadebridge. I understand that the tour also visited Okehampton - can anyone confirm?

 

If anyone else has further details, please let us know.

 

Regards

Mark

 

In addition to the above, the GWS Farewell Tour also visited Bodmin North and on the return journey from Bude continued from Halwill to Okehampton, where it reversed before returning to Plymouth via Halwill, Launceston and Wadebridge.

 

Hopefully, following ongoing research, it will be possible to post pictures and timings in due course.

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This was the North Cornwall Farewell Railtour organized by the Great Western Society and the headcode was 1Z10.  This tour was worked by a 3-car Class 120 Swindon Cross-Country unit and although I don't have the full details regarding this DMU, the DMBC was W51581.

 

Regards

Mark

 

Mark, are you able to give a source/reference for the DMBC being W51581, as it might help with tracking down other details?

 

As far as I am aware at that time DMBC W51581 was part of Set No 560, together with TS W59587 and DMS W51585, which was allocated to Laira between June 1962 and June 1968.

 

Many thanks.

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Mark, are you able to give a source/reference for the DMBC being W51581, as it might help with tracking down other details?

 

As far as I am aware at that time DMBC W51581 was part of Unit No 560, together with TS W59587 and DMS W51585, which was allocated to Laira between June 1962 and June 1968.

 

Many thanks.

Hi,

I found this photo of the DMBC on the Cornish Railway Society website and enlarged it to read the number -

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____4529042_orig.jpg

 

And in the last couple of days these photos have also been uploaded to their website -

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____1563965_orig.jpg

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____4845955_orig.jpg

An enlargement of this photo shows the other driving car (DMSL) as W51590. 

 

This now raises a question regarding the identity of the centre trailer car, as either W51581 or W51590 could have been a temporary replacement vehicle in order to keep (whichever set this is) in traffic!

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I found this photo of the DMBC on the Cornish Railway Society website and enlarged it to read the number -

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____4529042_orig.jpg

 

And in the last couple of days these photos have also been uploaded to their website -

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____1563965_orig.jpg

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____4845955_orig.jpg

An enlargement of this photo shows the other driving car (DMSL) as W51590. 

 

This now raises a question regarding the identity of the centre trailer car, as either W51581 or W51590 could have been a temporary replacement vehicle in order to keep (whichever set this is) in traffic!

 

W51590 should have been the DMS in Set 555, together with TS W59582 and DMBC W51576, but I suspect that after all this time there is no way of knowing which was which on the day in question.

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As has already been alluded to in an earlier post, apart from the three sets in use for the service trains, there was another DMMU running on the last day:

 

On the same day a railtour ran to Bude formed of a three car class 120. Does anyone have information on or pictures?

 

The unit in question was operating the Great Western Society North Cornwall Lines Farewell Tour, which ran over a circuitous route from Plymouth to Okehampton via, Bodmin Road, Bodmin General, Bodmin North, Padstow, Halwill and Bude.  From Okehampton it then returned to Plymouth via, Halwill, Wadebridge, Bodmin General, and Bodmin Road.

 

Whilst it has not been possible to unequivocally identify the unit in question, a photograph taken at Tresmeer clearly shows the DMBC to be W51581, which, according to available records, suggests it was Set No 560, a 3-car Swindon built Class 120 Cross-Country Unit which was allocated to Laira between June 1962 and June 1968.

 

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Copyright Mike Roach: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/features-page-july-to-december-2016.html

No doubt at 35/- (£1.75 in new money) this probably seemed quite expensive at the time.

 

Surprisingly perhaps, photographs of the railtour are not that common and I would like to thank both Keith Jenkin and David Hawkings for allowing me to use some of the pictures they took on the day.  Permission to use these photographs has been granted specifically for the purpose of illustrating this topic and copyright remains with the original owners.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/features-page-july-to-december-2016.html

Attaching the headboard at Plymouth North Road.  Fortunately, as the train was scheduled to reverse no less than nine times during the day, someone had the foresight to produce two headboards, on for each end of the unit.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin/Great Western Society

The full timings for the farewell tour, as issued to passengers on the day.

For a downloadable pdf copy see:  GWS 003 - Timings.pdf

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

On arrival at Halwill, because the up platform was not signalled for departures towards Bude, the train was shunted out of the station towards Okehampton and then set back into the down platform.


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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

The train standing in the down platform at Halwill ready to depart for Bude.

 

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Copyright David Hawkings: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6345347562/in/photolist-aEHyLb-bfhhGK-bgJvgV

And looking back the other way.

 

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This is a copy of the timetabled service for the last day, which has been adjusted to include the timings of the GWS Farewell Tour.

For a downloadable pdf copy see: GWS 007 Last BR Timetable - GWS Spl.pdf

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

At Holsworthy the special was booked to cross the 15 20 from Bude to Okehampton.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

On the way down to Bude the platform at Whitstone & Bridgerule was probably busier than it had been for some time.  The original LSWR name board has survived right through to closure.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

On arrival at Bude, with no timetabled services about, the special was able to use the main platform.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

The schedule only provided for a three-minute turnaround, which would be ambitious at the best of times.  However, with a trainload of passenger wanting to stretch their legs and take photographs timekeeping was always going to suffer and a late departure was inevitable.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

Having delivered the single line token and explained the revised crossing arrangements to the Driver, the Signalman walks slowly back to his box.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

Now running rather late, on the way up to Okehampton, the special crossed the 16 00 from Halwill to Bude at Whitstone & Bridgerule instead of Holsworthy.

 

By way of a postscript, there was a moment of high drama on the return journey from Okehampton.  With an additional train shown in the special traffic notice, passengers had been allowed to travel up on the 18 40 from Wadebridge with the intention of returning on the 19 06 from Delabole - the GWS Tour.  In the event they were unable to board the return service, so how they actually got home remains something of a mystery.

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As has already been alluded to in an earlier post, apart from the three sets in use for the service trains, there was another DMMU running on the last day:

 

 

The unit in question was operating the Great Western Society North Cornwall Lines Farewell Tour, which ran over a circuitous route from Plymouth to Okehampton via, Bodmin Road, Bodmin General, Bodmin North, Padstow, Halwill and Bude.  From Okehampton it then returned to Plymouth via, Halwill, Wadebridge, Bodmin General, and Bodmin Road.

 

Whilst it has not been possible to unequivocally identify the unit in question, a photograph taken at Tresmeer clearly shows the DMBC to be W51581, which, according to available records, suggests it was Set No 560.  This was a 3-car Swindon built Class 120 Cross-Country Unit which was allocated to Laira between June 1962 and June 1968, the other two vehicles being TS W59587 and DMS W51585.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 001 - Ticket No 0045 {Mike Roach}.jpg

Copyright Mike Roach: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/features-page-july-to-december-2016.html

 

Surprisingly perhaps, photographs of the railtour are not that common and I would like to thank both Keith Jenkin and David Hawkings for allowing me to use some of the pictures they took on the day.  Permission to use these photographs has been granted specifically for the purpose of illustrating this topic and copyright remains with the original owners.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 002 - Plymouth.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/features-page-july-to-december-2016.html

Attaching the headboard at Plymouth North Road.  Fortunately, as the train was scheduled to reverse no less than nine times during the day, someone had the foresight to produce two headboards, on for each end of the unit.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 003 - Timings.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin/Great Western Society

The full timings for the farewell tour, as issued to passengers on the day.

See attachicon.gifGWS 003 - Timings.pdf for a downloadable pdf copy.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 004 - Halwill.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

On arrival at Halwill, because the up platform was not signalled for departures towards Bude, the train was shunted out of the station towards Okehampton and then set back into the down platform.

attachicon.gifGWS 005 - Halwill.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

The train standing in the down platform at Halwill ready to depart for Bude.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 006 - Halwill - 6345347562_e56ca69f5a_o.jpg

Copyright David Hawkings: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6345347562/in/photolist-aEHyLb-bfhhGK-bgJvgV

And looking back the other way.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 007 Last BR Timetable - GWS Spl.jpg

This is a copy of the timetabled service for the last day, which has been adjusted to include the timings of the GWS Farewell Tour.

See attachicon.gifGWS 007 Last BR Timetable - GWS Spl.pdf for a downloadable pdf copy.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 008 - Holsworthy.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/okehampton-to-launceston-excl--dunsland-x--ashbury-pre-1980.html

At Holsworthy the special was booked to cross the 15 20 from Bude to Okehampton.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 009 - Whitstone & Bridgerule.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

On the way down to Bude the platform at Whitstone & Bridgerule was probably busier than it had been for some time.  The original LSWR name board has survived right through to closure.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 010 - Bude.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

On arrival at Bude, with no timetabled services about, the special was able to use the main platform.

 

attachicon.gifGWS 011 - Bude.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

The schedule only provided for a three-minute turnaround, which would be ambitious at the best of times.  However, with a trainload of passenger wanting to stretch their legs and take photographs timekeeping was always going to suffer and a late departure was inevitable.

attachicon.gifGWS 012 - Bude.jpg

 

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

Having delivered the single line token and explained the revised crossing arrangements to the Driver, the Signalman walks slowly back to his box.

attachicon.gifGWS 013 - Whitstone & Bridgerule.jpg

Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/north-cornwall-line-including-route-to-bude-and-okehampton.html

Now running rather late, on the way up to Okehampton, the special crossed the 16 00 from Halwill to Bude at Whitstone & Bridgerule instead of Holsworthy.

 

By way of a postscript, there was a moment of high drama on the return journey from Okehampton.  With an additional train shown in the special traffic notice, passengers had been allowed to travel up on the 18 40 from Wadebridge with the intention of returning on the 19 06 from Delabole - the GWS Tour.  In the event they were unable to board the return service, so how they actually got home remains something of a mystery.

What a wonderful post Nigel. May I humbly suggest that you arrange with the Cornwall Railway Society to place it in its entirety on their website where it will have a much wider circulation?

 

Separately, the first thing that struck me about the timings was the very limited provision for Personal Needs Breaks (not for the crew, for the passengers). I wonder how they coped?

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May I add a note of caution re the dmu set numbering?  The region-wide system was not finally in place until the early 70s and prior to then sets were numbered individually by their designated depot.  Laira had a distressing tendency to renumber its allocation following movements in and out, of which there were many during the 1960s.  In addition, at the time of the end of the Withered Arm there had been some temporary re-formations whereby some suburban sets swapped cars with Cross-Country sets to ensure that there was at least one toilet fitted vehicle available on the lengthy journeys on which the units were deployed.

 

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May I add a note of caution re the dmu set numbering?  The region-wide system was not finally in place until the early 70s and prior to then sets were numbered individually by their designated depot.  Laira had a distressing tendency to renumber its allocation following movements in and out, of which there were many during the 1960s.  In addition, at the time of the end of the Withered Arm there had been some temporary re-formations whereby some suburban sets swapped cars with Cross-Country sets to ensure that there was at least one toilet fitted vehicle available on the lengthy journeys on which the units were deployed.

 

Chris

 

Point taken.  It is only possible to be certain about the number of the DMBC, which was W51581.

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I've done a bit of digging.  The Railway Observer for December 1965 has a piece on the dmu allocation for the Western Region as in mid October 1965.  At that time 51581 was part of set LA502.  The article states that 51590 from that set had been temporarily exchanged with 116 motor second 50921.  I then looked at notes from 1962 which inter alia suggest that those power cars arrived from Tyseley with trailer 59587 in early 1962 as one of the first three Cross-Country sets allocated to Laira.  Now a lot can happen to a dmu formation in four and a half years, not all of which was recorded - there is a limit even to the diligence of the scouts working for the Royal Corps of Train Spotters.  Power cars tended to stick together and swap trailers, either as a make-do-and mend measure or more permanently.

 

This cannot be definitive but it is the best I can do!

 

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I've done a bit of digging.  The Railway Observer for December 1965 has a piece on the dmu allocation for the Western Region as in mid October 1965.  At that time 51581 was part of set LA502.  The article states that 51590 from that set had been temporarily exchanged with 116 motor second 50921.  I then looked at notes from 1962 which inter alia suggest that those power cars arrived from Tyseley with trailer 59587 in early 1962 as one of the first three Cross-Country sets allocated to Laira.  Now a lot can happen to a dmu formation in four and a half years, not all of which was recorded - there is a limit even to the diligence of the scouts working for the Royal Corps of Train Spotters.  Power cars tended to stick together and swap trailers, either as a make-do-and mend measure or more permanently.

 

This cannot be definitive but it is the best I can do!

 

Chris

 

Hi Chris,

 

Thanks for the extra information.

 

This picture of the train taken at Otterham is the best available view of the DMS and might be of some help.  Unfortunately, I can't make out the number but your eyesight is probably a lot better than mine.

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Copyright Keith Jenkin.

This is an original copy and would probably benefit from some good image enhancing software.

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Hi,

I found this photo of the DMBC on the Cornish Railway Society website and enlarged it to read the number -

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____4529042_orig.jpg

 

And in the last couple of days these photos have also been uploaded to their website -

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____1563965_orig.jpg

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/_____4845955_orig.jpg

An enlargement of this photo shows the other driving car (DMSL) as W51590. 

 

This now raises a question regarding the identity of the centre trailer car, as either W51581 or W51590 could have been a temporary replacement vehicle in order to keep (whichever set this is) in traffic!

As per my previous posting on the 4th August 2017.

So far as the centre trailer car is concerned, I think we either need positive ID from a photo of the railtour taken on 1st October 1966 or from a 'reliable' source of notes made on the day.

 

Regards

Mark

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'Shedmaster's' is likely to be the missing word, perhaps. But the whole sign is ridiculous - who would take an engine without authority, not least from the signalman?

 

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Or had there been cases of locos being borrowed, maybe for a spot of shunting, e.g. on the Canal Branch?

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'Shedmaster's' is likely to be the missing word, perhaps. But the whole sign is ridiculous - who would take an engine without authority, not least from the signalman?

 

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Or had there been cases of locos being borrowed, maybe for a spot of shunting, e.g. on the Canal Branch?

Ian,

 

Drivers would take an engine without authority.  In the 80's when there were loco's at Dover, Ashford, Tonbridge etc it was not unknown for the Ashford  'Foreman' to send someone over for a loco and it wasn't there...  later found sitting at Tonbridge... Track Access as now didn't exist, just get on the SPT and ring out as 'Light Loco for Tonbridge' and off you went....

 

I'm sure you know of such things...  nod nod wink wink

 

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As a point of reference, following the introduction of the 8 hour day, the total establishment at Bude in 1926 was 10 men and consisted of 4 pairs of Enginemen (Driver & Fireman), 1 cleaner and 1 Night Shedman.

 

Unfortunately for this topic, there was no shedmaster or supervisor and the depot was under the control of Exmouth Junction throughout it's existence.

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"Notice : Engines must not be removed without ----- authority"  is the best I can come up with.

 

The above was my first thought, but I can't decipher the missing word either.

 

As the shed was always under the control of Exmouth Junction, it is unlikely to have been shedmaster or running foreman, the latter wouldn't fit anyway.   To my mind the missing word does look as though it begins with an S which leaves the possibility of Stationmaster, very unlikely as SM's had no jurisdiction over the motive power department, or Signalman.

 

Signalman might make sense, as moving an engine out of the shed without such authority could result in a collision with a train that had been signalled into the loop.

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Unfortunately, although Signalman starts with an S, I'm still not convinced that is the missing word,

 

Does anyone know of any similar signs elsewhere on the Southern that might give a clue?

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By way of a postscript relating to the Farewell Special, Stephen Cooper, Historical Research Officer for the Great Western Trust, has kindly supplied details of an item which appeared in the Summer 1966 GWS Newsletter.

 

North Cornwall Lines Farewell Tour - Saturday 1st October 1966.

 

Plymouth to Wadebridge for scenic tour on last day of services of Wadebridge to Halwill and Bude to Okehampton lines.  3-car D.M.U from Plymouth to Wadebridge via Bodmin and return same route.  Time will be allowed for photography etc. at all the Stations and halts on these 71¼ miles of single track which are to be closed to all traffic.
Approximate times and fares are Plymouth depart 11.00 hours returning 20.00 hours, fare 35/-.

 

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Copyright Keith Jenkin: http://www.cornwallr...okehampton.html

Having completed its round trip to Bude, the special paused briefly at Ashbury on the way from Halwill to Okehampton.

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I suggest the first word is ASHES

 

An interesting possibility and not one that had occurred to me.

 

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There was a problem at Bude with the prevailing winds blowing ash from the loco depot across the station.  In an attempt to alleviate this, the concrete fence seen to the left of the sign was erected by the Southern in the 1920s.

 

If it is indeed Ashes, then maybe it was the Stationmaster's permission that was required in order to ensure the work was only undertaken on a calm day.

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Returning to the 1Z10 The North Cornwall Farewell Railtour and pulling together all available information, it was formed of DMBC W51581 and DMS W51590 (definites) with a strong possibility of the TS (centre car) being W59587 and a slim chance that it could have been W59582. We may never know! History is easily lost!

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An interesting possibility and not one that had occurred to me.

 

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There was a problem at Bude with the prevailing winds blowing ash from the loco depot across the station.  In an attempt to alleviate this, the concrete fence seen to the left of the sign was erected by the Southern in the 1920s.

 

If it is indeed Ashes, then maybe it was the Stationmaster's permission that was required in order to ensure the work was only undertaken on a calm day.

Looks more like 'signalmans' than 'stationmasters'

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