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The decline of wagon load and load hauled parcel/passenger traffic has seen a massive decline in shunter turns across the network. I believe only Inverness/Penzance are the only terminus stations to still have limited shunter action, many of the surviving yards no longer have a grumbling 08/09 busying itself. Depot pilots survive but very few too. Be interesting to record and list this decline from happier days, yes the old Shunter duties booklets list 70/80's turns this is only half the story perhaps?

 

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Watford Jn once had a pilot, lost in the late 70's use to trip up to Watford North

Fort William once had a pilot duty doing station and yard work, lost in the mid 70's?

An HRNC 08 was resident at Calvert (N of Aylesbury) in early 2000, didnt stay long though!

 

must be many more

 

thanks

 

NR

 

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I recall Birmingham New St having a regular 08 presence. Lost sometime in the early 90s I think

A also recall being shunted back in the 80s at Preston when the Glasgow and Edinburgh trains were combined into one at said location.

 

Andy

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I just got a copy of the 1982 spotters guide ...... It's 08024 to 08900.... Hundreds of them.

But you don't need them at terminus unless you are releasing a loco.

When the management changed at EWS the boss an went nuts at the numbers of 08s sitting around and decreed all shunting would be done by mainline locos in. Future....

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In the 1970s and early 1980s there were 2 pilots at Bristol Temple Meads, the East End Pilot and the West End Pilot

both with their semi permanently attached brake van. At that time is seemed impossible that large stations like that could ever do without one.

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Here is the Temple Meads West End Pilot 08951, in 1983 cars imported through Royal Portbury were road hauled

to Bristol where they were loaded either in the motorail dock or in the yard at nearby Pylle Hill.

08951 has just shunted them from the motorail dock, I think this trainload were destined for Bathgate or Mossend, 5/7/83

 

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08753 at Perth 17/6/83.

 

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The decline of wagon load and load hauled parcel/passenger traffic has seen a massive decline in shunter turns across the network. I believe only Inverness/Penzance are the only terminus stations to still have limited shunter action.   

 

 

Paddington very occasionally still sees a visit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/56318708@N04/8173098723/in/photolist-dsegve

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Just over 10 years ago - on 9th. March 2003 - look how many were still in existence, and where they could be found.

.

Loco      Pool  Allox          Location                                           Status

08032    XYPO   MD           Merehead Foster Yeoman                     OK

08077    DFLS  FD               Southampton MT Freightliner              OK

08308    MOLO  IS             Inverness                                                OK

08375    MOLO  FD             Doncaster Wood Yard OK

08389    WSNE  IM            Tees Yard OK

08393    WSNE  IM            Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08393    WSNE  IM            Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08397    WSNW  AN            Crewe DMD OOS

08401    WSNE  IM            Immingham TMD OOS

08402    WSSC  ML            Motherwell TMD OK

08405    WSMD  TO           Wolverhampton Steel Terminal OOS

08410                LA    

08411    WSSC  ML            Ayr Depot OOS

08413    WNZX HQ            Booth Roe, Rotherham OOS

08414    WSWX  HQ          Old Oak Common    OOS

08417    CDJD  DY             Derby RTC Serco OK

08418    WSMD  TO           Wolverhampton Steel Terminal OK

08419    MBDL  ZF            Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08428    WSNE  IM            Worksop OK

08441    WSSC  ML             Killoch Colliery OK

08442    WSAW IM            Bridgend OK

08449    WNZX HQ            EMR Kingsbury OOS

08451    ATLO  WN            Willesden TNC OK

08454    ATLO  WN            Willesden TNC OOS

08460    WSNW  AN            Warrington Arpley OK

08466    WSNE  IM            Immingham Reception OK

08472    RFSH  BN             Ferme Park OOS

08480    WSMD  TO           Toton TMD OOS

08481    WSXX  HQ           Cardiff Canton OOS

08482    WSAS  OC            Temple Mills OOS

08483    HJXX PM              St Phillip's Marsh OK

08484    KWSW  ZN           Wolverton Works OK

08485    WSNW  AN           Carlisle Yard OK

08489    WSSC  ML           Motherwell TMD OK

08492    WSYX  HQ           Motherwell Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08493    WNSO  HQ           Cardiff Canton OOS

08495    WSNE  IM            Scunthorpe Enterprise OK

08500    WSGW  CF          Swindon Cocklebury Yard OK

08506    WSAS OC             Westbury OK

08507    HNRL  CZ            Barton under Nedwood OK

08509    WSWX  HQ          Immingham TMD OOS

08510    WSNE  IM            Doncaster TMD OK

08511    WSSC  ML            Ayr Wagon Repair Depot OK

08512    WNQX  IM           Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OK

08514    WSNE  IM            Doncaster Railport OK

08516    WSMD  TO           Toton Up Yard OK

08517    WNZX HQ            Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08523    WSXX  HQ           Crewe Holding Siding OOS

08525    HISL NL               Neville Hill OK

08526    WSAS  OC             Willesden Euroterminal OK

08527    KCSI  ZI               Ilford EMU Depot OK

08528    WSMD  TO             Peterborough Stabling Point OK

08529    WSWX  HQ          Doncaster TMD OOS

08530    DFLS  FD             Coatbridge Freightliner OK

08531    DFLS  FD              Tilbury Freightliner OK

08534    WSWX  HQ          Motherwell Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08535    WSXX  HQ           Crewe Holding Siding OOS

08536    HISE HQ          Derby Etches Park OOS

08538    WSMD  TO      Peterborough Stabling Point OK

08540    WSMD  TO  Toton TMD OOS

08541    WSXX  HQ  Old Oak Common    OOS

08542    WSXX  HQ      Bescot TMD OOS

08543    WSMD  TO  Saltley OK

08561    WSNW  AN  Crewe South Yard OK

08567    WSMD  TO  Bescot Engineers Sidings OK

08568    KGSS  ZH  Glasgow Works OOS

08569    WSMD  TO  Stanton Gate OK

08571    HBSH  PC    

08573    KCSI  ZI      Ilford EMU Depot OK

08575    DFLS  FD  Southampton MD Freightliner OK

08576    WSMD  TO  Toton Up Yard OK

08578    WSNE  IM York Yard North OK

08580    WSMD  TO Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08582    WSNE  IM  Goole Docks OK

08585    DFLS  FD  Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08587    WSNE  IM     Doncaster Up Decoy OK

08588    HISL HQ Neville Hill OOS

08593    WSNE  ML Knottingley OK

08596    RFSH  ZB Doncaster OK

08597    WSNE  IM     Rotherham Steel Terminal OK

08599    WSNE  IM  Immingham Reception OK

08601    WSXX  HQ  Allerton TMD OOS

08605    WSNE  IM  Tinsley Yard OK

08607    WNZX HQ EMR Kingsbury OOS

08610    WNZX HQ Booth Roe, Rotherham OOS

08611    ATLO  LL    

08616    HGSS TS Saltley OK

08617    ATLO  WN Wemley Carriage Shed OK

08622    WNZX HQ RMS Locotec, Dewsbury OOS

08623    WSNE  IM  Tinsley Yard OK

08624    DFLS  FD  Felixstowe Freightliner OOS

08625    CRXL MM Moreton in Marsh OK

08628    WSXX  HQ      Saltley OOS

08629    KWSW  ZN      Wolverton Works OK

08630    WSGW  CF  Barton Hill  OOS

08631    SDFR  DF  Derby RTC Fragonset OOS

08632    WSNW  AN  Allerton TMD OOS

08633    WSNE  IM Worksop Yard OK

08634    WNZX HQ Carnforth OOS

08635    WSAS  OC   Wembley Yard OK

08641    HJSL LA Penzance OK

08642    DFLS  FD  Southampton MT Freightliner OOS

08643    HJXX HQ St Phillip's Marsh OOS

08644    HJSL LA Laira OOS

08645  WSAS  OC     Dagenham Dock OK

08648 HJSL ZB Doncaster Wabtec OK

08649 KESE ZG Eastleigh Yard OK

08651 WSGW  CF  Onllwyn OK

08653 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

08655 WSNE  IM Tees Yard OK

08662 WSGW  CF  Margam OK

08663 HJSL PM Laira OK

08664 WSAS OC Eastleigh Yard OK

08665 WSNE  IM Doncaster TMD OOS

08666 WSYX  HQ      Wigan TMD OOS

08669 RFSH  HQ     Felixstowe Freightliner OK

08670 WSSC  ML Mossend Down Yard OK

08673 WNSO  HQ Crewe Electric OOS

08675 WSXX  HQ  Motherwell Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08676 WSWX  HQ      Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08678 MBDL  CS Derby Etches Park OK

08682 KDSD  ZF  Doncaster Wabtec OK

08683 WSMD  TO Oxley CSD OK

08685 WSGW  CF  Avonmouth OK

08689 WSNE  IM  Immingham Reception OK

08690 HISE HQ Derby Etches Park OOS

08691 DFLS  FD  Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08694 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

08695 WSSC  ML   Ayr Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08696 ATLO  AT      Longsight DMD OK

08697 HISE HQ Derby Etches Park OOS

08698 WSMD  TO      Ketton Castle Cement OK

08700 WNZX HQ Carnforth OOS

08701 WSNW  AN      Allerton TMD OK

08702 WSXX  HQ Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08703 WSMD  TO  Toton Up Yard OK

08706 WSNW  AN  Warrington Walton Old Junction OK

08709 WSMD  TO     Rugby North Sidings OK

08711 WSGW  CF  Barton Hill  OOS

08714 WSMD  TO   Daventry Reception OK

08715 WSWX  HQ      Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08720 WSXX  HQ  Motherwell Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08721 ATLO  LO Longsight DMD OK

08723 WNZX HQ EMR Kingsbury OOS

08724 HBSH  BN  Bounds Green OK

08730 KGSS  ZH      Glasgow Works OK

08731 WNZX HQ T J Thomson, Stockton OOS

08735 WSNE  IM  Immingham Reception OK

08737 WSNW  AN  Trafford Park Euroterminal OK

08738 WSNW  AN  Crewe DMD OOS

08739 WSXX  HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08740 WSXX  HQ      Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08742 WSMD  TO Northampton Castle Freight Depot OK

08743 MBDL  BH Seal Sands OK

08745 DFLS  FD     Southampton MD Freightliner OOS

08746 WNSO  HQ     Doncaster Wood Yard OOS

08750 MOLO  ZI Beechbrook Farm OOS

08751 WSYX  HQ Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08752 WSAW CF Cardiff Tidal Sidings OK

08754 MOLO  FD     Dagenham Dock OK

08756 WNSO  HQ Cardiff Canton OOS

08757 WSMD  TO  Peterborough West Yard OK

08758 WSYX  HQ      Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08762 MOLO  FX Quidhampton OK

08765 WSMD  TO      Bescot Down Sidings OK

08768 WSWX  HQ  Motherwell TMD OOS

08770 WSGW  CF Swansea Burrows Sidings OK

08775 WSAS  OC      Hither Green TDM OOS

08776 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

08782 WSNW  AN  Castleton Corus OK

08783 WSAS OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

08784 WSWX HQ      Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08785 DFLS  FD      Trafford Park Freightliner OK

08786 WSAS OC Eastleigh TMD OOS

08788 MOLO  IS  Inverness Yard OK

08790 ATLO  LO Manchester Piccadilly OK

08792 WSGW  CF Hinksey Yard OK

08795 HJSE LE    

08798 WSGW  CF St Blazey OK

08799 WSAS  OC      Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08801 WNSO  HQ Cardiff Canton OOS

08802 WSNW  AN  Warrington LHS OK

08804 WSAS OC Eastleigh Yard OK

08805 HGSS TS Soho LMD OK

08806 WSXX  HQ Tees Yard OOS

08807 WSSC  ML Polmadie TCC OK

08809 CREL NC Norwich Crown Point OK

08810 CREL NC Norwich Crown Point OK

08813 WSYX HQ Tees Yard OOS

08815 WSYX  HQ      Wigan TMD OOS

08817 WSXX  HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08818 HNRL    Barrow Hill OK

08819 WNSO  HQ Cardiff Canton OOS

08822 HJSE OO    

08823 KDSD  ZF  Doncaster Wabtec OK

08824 WSNE  IM  Doncaster Wood Yard OK

08825 WSWX  HQ      Old Oak Common    OOS

08826 WNZX HQ T J Thomson, Stockton OOS

08827 WSYX  HQ  Motherwell Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08828 WSMD  TO      Bescot TMD OOS

08829 WNZX HQ Carnforth OOS

08830 HLSV CP Crewe CS OK

08831 RFSH  ZB Doncaster Wabtec OK

08834 HBSH  BN    

08836 HJXX OO Old Oak Common    OOS

08837 WSXX  HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08842 WSNW  AN    Crewe Electric OK

08844 WSNE  IM Tyne Yard OK

08847 CREL NC Norwich Crown Point OK

08853 RFSH  ZB Doncaster Wabtec OK

08854 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

08856 WSAW CF                Cardiff Canton OOS

08865 WSSC  ML      Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08866 WSNW  AN      Penyffordd Castle Cement OK

08867 WSWX  HQ  Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08868 HNRL  BH Barrow Hill OOS

08869 HNRL  BH      Brush Loughborough OOS

08870 MBDL  PX Norwich Crown Point OOS

08871 CROL  MM      Doncaster Wabtec OK

08872 WSAS  OC  Temple Mills OK

08873 MOLO  CP Crewe CS OK

08874 MOLO  CP Crewe CS OK

08877 WSWX  HQ  Wigan TMD OK

08879 WSSC  ML  Motherwell TMD OK

08880 WSXX  HQ     Bescot TMD OOS

08881 WSSC  ML   Motherwell TMD OOS

08882 WSYX  HQ      Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08883 WSSC  ML Deanside Transit OK

08884 WSMD  TO      Wolverhampton Steel Terminal OK

08886 WSNE  IM  Immingham Reception OK

08887 ATLO  LO Longsight Wheel Lathe OK

08888 WSNE  IM      Doncaster Belmont Yard OK

08890 WSAS  OC    Dagenham Dock OK

08891 DFLS  FD     Garston Freightliner OK

08892 RFSH  BN      Ferme Park OK

08893 WSYX  HQ  Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08894 WSXX  HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08896 WSGW  CF    Barton Hill  OK

08897 WSNW  AN    Carlisle Yard OK

08899 HISE DY Derby OOS

08900 WSAS OC Eastleigh Yard OK

08901 WSYX HQ  Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08902 WSXX  HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08903 MBDL  BH Haverton Hill OK

08904 WSGW  CF Didcot OOS

08905 WSMD  TO  Bromford Bridge Esso OK

08906 WSXX  HQ  Motherwell Wagon Repair Depot OOS

08907 WSWX  HQ  Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08908 HISL NL Neville Hill OOS

08909 WSNW  AN      Shotton Corus OK

08910 WSXX  HQ  Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08911 WSNE  IM Tees Yard OK

08912 WSWX  HQ  Ferrybridge Loco Maintenance Depot OOS

08913 WSGW  CF Newport Docks OK

08914 WSYX  HQ  Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08915 WSNW  AN  Doncaster Wabtec OOS

08918 WSAS OC Euston DSS OK

08919 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

08920 WSMD  TO      Hams Hall ABP OK

08921 WSAS  OC  Sheerness Allied Steel OK

08922 WSNW  AN      Carlisle Upperby  OOS

08924 WSSC  ML  Falkland Up Yard OK

08925 WSWX  HQ   Doncaster TMD OOS

08926 WSXX  HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08927 WSSC  ML  Motherwell TMD OK

08928 HNRL  BH  Brush Loughborough OOS

08931 WSYX  HQ  Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08932 WSXX  HQ  Crewe Holding Siding OOS

08933 WSSC  ML      Mossend Down Yard OK

08934 ATLO  WN Wembley TCC OK

08936 HNRL  DY    

08939 WSMD  TO Washwood Heath Up Siding OK

08941 WSGW  CF Cardiff Canton OK

08942 WSXX  HQ  Ferrybridge B & C Power Stations OOS

08946 WSWX HQ Allerton TMD OOS

08947 WSAS OC Eastleigh Yard OK

08948 GPSS NP North Pole International OK

08950 HISL HQ Neville Hill OOS

08951 WSAW CF Cardiff Canton OK

08953 WSNE  IM     Doncaster TMD OOS

08954 WSNW  AN      Halewood Jaguar OK

08955 WSXX  HQ Cardiff Canton OOS

08956 CDJD DY Derby HS OK

08957 WNSO  HQ Cardiff Canton OOS

09001 WSGW  CF St Blazey OK

09003 WSGW  CF Barry Docks OK

09004 HWSU SU Selhurst TMD OK

09005 WSNE  IM Tyne Yard OK

09006 WSAS OC Stewarts Lane TMD OK

09007 WSNE  IM  Doncaster TMD OK

09008 WSGW  CF Swansea Burrows Sidings OK

09009 WSAS  OC      Parkstone Quay Yard OK

09010 WSAS OC Hoo Junction OK

09011 WSGW  CF Aberthaw OK

09012 WSAS  OC      Hither Green PAD Balfour Beatty OK

09013 WSGW  CF St Blazey OK

09014 WSNE  IM Knottingley OK

09015 WSGW  CF Sudbrook PS OK

09016 WSGW  CF Tavistock Junction OK

09017 WSGW  CF Plymouth OK

09018 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

09019 WSAS  OC  Old Oak Common    OOS

09020 WSNW  AN      Halewood Jaguar OK

09021 WSNW  AN     Garston Yard OK

09022 WSNW  AN  Trafford Park Euroterminal OOS

09023 WSNE  IM  Healey Mills OK

09024 WSAS OC Hoo Junction OK

09025 HWSU SU Brighton OK

09026 HWSU SU Brighton Lovers Walk OK

09101 WSGW  CF Newport Docks OK

09102 WSGW  CF Cardiff Canton OK

09103 WSSC  ML  Millerhill Reception OK

09104 WSXX  HQ  Allerton TMD OOS

09105 WSGW  CF Cardiff Canton OOS

09106 WSNE  IM Tyne Yard OK

09107 WSNE  IM  Doncaster TMD OK

09201 WSNE  IM Milford OK

09202 WSNE  IM Hull Hedon Road Sidings OK

09203 WSGW  CF Newport OK

09204 WSNE  IM Thornaby TMD OOS

09205 WSSC  ML  Millerhill Yard OK

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Location of BR Cl.03 & Cl.08 shunters - South Wales – 30th September 1973

Aberbeeg
Class 08 (3824, 4024),

Aberdare
Class 08 (3761),

Pantyffynnon
Class 08 (3745),

Landore MPD (87E)
Class 03 (2119/20/22/44),
Class 08 (3828, 3987, 4127),

Swansea East Dock
Class 08 (3356, 3804/25/27/30, 3986),

Briton Ferry
Class 08 (3812, 4174)

Margam MPD (87B)
Class 08 (3431/32/35/36/37/38),

Port Talbot
Class 08 (3430)

Llantrisant
Class 08 (3604),

Radyr
Class 08 (3258, 3420/22, 3748/56/60),

PWM651

Cardiff Central
Class 08 (3423, 3603),

Cardiff Canton MPD (86A)
Class 03 (2142),

Class 08 (3259/64/66, 3409, 3818, 3960, 4182),

Class 11 (12054) A.R.Adams hire loco under repair.,

Barry
Class 08 (3421/24),

Cardiff Docks
Class 08 (3256/60/62/63/68, 3593)

Newport Ebbw Junction MPD ((86B)
Class 08 (3185, 3433, 3594, 3602, 3762, 3806/19, 4021),

PWM650

Newport Docks
Class 08 (3972, 4011/16, 4124)

Newport High St.
Class 08 (3596, 4014)

Severn Tunnel Junction
Class 08 (3189, 3990, 4012, 4162),

 

72 shunters incl. 1x Privately Owned and two PW locos

Todayit's more like.....

1 at Landore

1 at Margam

1 at Canton (Pullman Rail/Colas).

 

Brian R

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Location of BR Cl.03 & Cl.08 shunters - South Wales – 30th September 1973

 

Aberbeeg

Class 08 (3824, 4024),

Aberdare

Class 08 (3761),

Pantyffynnon

Class 08 (3745),

Landore MPD (87E)

Class 03 (2119/20/22/44),

Class 08 (3828, 3987, 4127),

Swansea East Dock

Class 08 (3356, 3804/25/27/30, 3986),

Briton Ferry

Class 08 (3812, 4174)

Margam MPD (87B)

Class 08 (3431/32/35/36/37/38),

Port Talbot

Class 08 (3430)

Llantrisant

Class 08 (3604),

Radyr

Class 08 (3258, 3420/22, 3748/56/60),

PWM651

Cardiff Central

Class 08 (3423, 3603),

Cardiff Canton MPD (86A)

Class 03 (2142),

Class 08 (3259/64/66, 3409, 3818, 3960, 4182),

Class 11 (12054) A.R.Adams hire loco under repair.,

Barry

Class 08 (3421/24),

Cardiff Docks

Class 08 (3256/60/62/63/68, 3593)

Newport Ebbw Junction MPD ((86B)

Class 08 (3185, 3433, 3594, 3602, 3762, 3806/19, 4021),

PWM650

Newport Docks

Class 08 (3972, 4011/16, 4124)

Newport High St.

Class 08 (3596, 4014)

Severn Tunnel Junction

Class 08 (3189, 3990, 4012, 4162),

 

72 shunters incl. 1x Privately Owned and two PW locos

Todayit's more like.....

1 at Landore

1 at Margam

1 at Canton (Pullman Rail/Colas).

 

Brian R

To which you could add: Llandeilo Junction 3 x 08 (Up and Down pilots and Old Castle trip)

                                       Pembrey                5x 03 (BP&GV) , 1 x 08

                                       Carmarthen           1 x 08

I don't think there were any duties left west of there by then; five years earlier would have seen pilots (03s, I think) at Whitland and possibly  Fishguard Harbour.

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There used to be a whole host of them in and around Manchester Piccadilly. As I recall they all had unofficial name plates.

It's very sad (I think) that this aspect of traditional train working has almost entirely died out. You don't even see it on preserved lines.

I am old enough to remember Crewe when the '08' was a Jinty doing the same job. And I guess that before that it would have been a Webb Special Tank.

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