brightspark Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Looks like I will have to go for Eastern numbers then. Thanks Alun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2013 For the York to Bournemouth workings there were two sets: one SR and the other ER/NER (not LMR). Both would have been crimson/cream until 1956. At some point after that, the SR set became green and the ER/NER stock would have been painted maroon. Later, mixed S and NE and/or E rakes were not unheard of. I know it's not the time period you're looking at, but I can tell you that SKs S24989 and S24980 were seen at York having arrived from Bournemouth in 1968 and they had the BR1 bogies as per the model. Although I suspect they were green, they could have been blue/grey by then or possibly even maroon. Alun IIRC these trains were blue/grey by the time they started to run via New St c1967. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 IIRC these trains were blue/grey by the time they started to run via New St c1967. Quite possible, I bow to your superior knowledge and it was before I was born! The last record I have of green (or maroon) coaches on this particular diagram is 1966 (9 SR green and 2 NE maroon), but that's not to say it didn't happen after then and I would be surprised if it was a blanket change. Both green and maroon coaches survived into the 70s and some green Mk1s even carried the "M" prefix, although no SKs as far as I know. Alun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Going (ever so) slightly off topic, I believe the same body shell with open seating (2+2) makes a Mk1 TSO. A the risk of incurring eyestrain for those with the info, would anyone have similar original allocation lists for the TSOs? Many thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I believe the same body shell with open seating (2+2) makes a Mk1 TSO. Hi Jon, Just making sure that you're aware that while the bodysides are identical, the roofs (essentially the ventilator positions) are very different. Even I notice! The information you're after is in the Keith Parkin and Hugh Longworth books. If David or anyone else doesn't come in, and the differing roofs hasn't put you off, I'll try to post the info on here over the next day or 2. Alun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Hi Alun, I hadn't thought of that, but its a very valid point. However, at £4 quid a pop, I'm willing to have a go at the roof, need to source some spare ventilators, as I've only got pointy ones (technical term) in stock. I don't have either of the Mk1 bibles, for the simple reason that until these cheap hackable coaches came along, I'd never given coaches much thought, more of a wagon chap. Off to google TSO roof pics now! Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Rmweb is my roof friend! Carving has begun, if I'm careful the vents may be reusable, apologies for thread hijack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Rmweb is my roof friend! Carving has begun, if I'm careful the vents may be reusable, apologies for thread hijack. Hi Jon, I'll be thrilled if I just get the paint jobs something like! I've had some excellent advice from the thread starter (46444) and thoroughly recommend you look at his blog on these coaches, if you haven't already. This is straight from Keith Parkin, but is not an exhaustive list... Enough to go at though? E: 3500-14, 3773-88, 3850-70, 3886-3912, 3970-91, 4048-4243, 4258-4357, 4258-4357, 4395-4412, 4443-72, 4488-4726, 4793-5009, 5045-69 M: 3700-72, 3947-69, 4358-72, 4413-42, 4473-87, 4779-4899, 4920-66 S: 3824-49, 3871-3, 3913-46, 3998-4047, 4373-94 Sc: 3987-97, 4244-57 W: 3789-3823, 3874-85, 3982-6, 4739-78, 4900-17 It can get complicated with bogies and suggest you avoid 3749, 3829/9/37/40/4/6, 3916/8/9/21/3/4/88-94, 4058/9/62/3/5/6/72/6, 4376/81/9/92/3, 4436, 4908/17-66/73-99, 5000-5010/23/5-62/4/9 which were all fitted with Commonwealth bogies, most if not all from new (RCTS handbooks). None were fitted with B4 bogies until circa 1965, and most of these would have replaced BR1s. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that any coaches went straight from blood and custard to blue/grey. But there were transfers and then there was the NE and GE too. My copy of Hugh Longworth is in a box somewhere (after a house move) but you would need to investigate coach by coach anyway as each has its own history. Hope that helps! Alun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Brilliant cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gwinnett Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 By way of a thank you, here is the completed TSO conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK 50A Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Wow, you don't hand about! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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