DJModels announce new models in N, OO and O

[Chris Higgs]

It's not that the Hornby version is bad because it isn't,I have three in my collection, however it could do with a revamp.

When you compare it with some products produced in the last couple of years it needs an update and as Hilux points out, it is a 12 year old moulding and time moves on.

 

If I were Dave, I would be thinking "and yes, Hornby might just jump in and do that revamp if I start on that". Added to the fact there is a very nice N gauge model as well, so no real opportunity to apply the shrink gun.

[Black 5 Bear]

The age of the tooling doesn't worry me, remember I do have three versions of this model already.

All I said was that a new version in the detailed form of the forthcoming King class would be nice. Are you really saying that the current Black Five is as good as the new models being produced today??? If Hornby undertake a revamp I would be more than happy to see this model minus the really obvious boiler  moulding line, a better cab interior and  an improved tender underframe. If you read some of the modelling press reviews on this loco, I think these  issues have been a bone of contention for some time. Interestingly though, whilst attending a show where they had a Hornby stand a couple of years ago, one of their staff said that this revamp was on the cards as was the rest of their older products.

[PaulRhB]

Interesting Post.

 

If one doesnt not see before buying there is a legal implication there with regards to the contract of sale and 'offer. consideration and acceptance', one would hope that perhaps, in terms of mail order, direct selling legistlation applies?

 

Seeing before you buy should be - although a grey area - a legal/divine right.

 

ATVB

 

CME

The pre order is done on the advertised details and that is what you need to keep if you are worried about what turns up. If you dispute the accuracy of the model due to internet reviews then you'd retain the right to return the model in unopened box to the shop as not as advertised if you can't cancel before dispatch. Your rights to return a faulty model are unaffected.

There's no legal right of see before you buy, you just have to wait for it to come out. If you miss out due to it selling out then unfortunately that's the risk you took.

Pre ordering before its made is widespread, you even do it with houses, sofas etc so it's not a unique business model and why you have retail rights in case they don't meet the criteria advertised.

[Karhedron]

Added to the fact there is a very nice N gauge model as well, so no real opportunity to apply the shrink gun.

It is worth not overplaying the importance of this. The R&D work that can be shared between scales represents about 10% of the total costs. Much more money is involved in the tooling and production.

 

So whilst it would always be nice to be able to reuse this and spread the costs between scales, I doubt it would ever make or break a project. Most of Dave's projects are single-scale at the moment.

[wombatofludham]

I think that rather than another Black 5 if Dave is looking at the West Coast I'd prefer a LNWR 4-4-0. Given the "Premier Line" was the largest constituent of the LMS and their 4-4-0s were highly regarded, attractive locos (and one made it into 1949) the railway is under-represented in RTR. The fact that the locos were by and large only seen in various shades of black shouldn't be an issue and it would be "on trend" with the recent release of various four coupled passenger locos. Plus there could be a tie in with the project to build a replica Prince of Wales class loco.

 

Ah go on, you've broken the NER loco drought, now do something for those who follow the rightly named Premier Line!

[2mm Andy]

Most of Dave's projects are single-scale at the moment.

 

Apart from the J94 (O, OO and N), the Class 23 (O and N), the Hudswell Clarke (OO and N), the Q6 (OO and N)....

[bingley hall]

Is Dave doing a Black 5 

[ThaneofFife]

never understood why people come out with the tired clichéd statement that "something is only worth what a person is willing to pay for it"..........tickles me everytime.

 

I might nip down to the local Audi or Bmw dealer with my £20k for a car tagged at £40k and see how quickly they escort me from the premises.......i'm sorry but the cliché just doesn't wash with me.  If you have an item that's sold out limited run rare or whatever then I see no reason why the seller cannot name their price.  if a buyer wants it enough they'll find that money even if its more than they was "willing" to pay so maybe we can cut the codswallop.

[farren]

Same fence opposite views

[APOLLO]

never understood why people come out with the tired clichéd statement that "something is only worth what a person is willing to pay for it"..........tickles me everytime.

 

I might nip down to the local Audi or Bmw dealer with my £20k for a car tagged at £40k and see how quickly they escort me from the premises.......i'm sorry but the cliché just doesn't wash with me.  If you have an item that's sold out limited run rare or whatever then I see no reason why the seller cannot name their price.  if a buyer wants it enough they'll find that money even if its more than they was "willing" to pay so maybe we can cut the codswallop.

 

With the way things are going down at VW / Audi they may quickly escort you INTO the premises for that £40 grand car, especially with £20 grand in your arse pocket !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34705604

 

Brit15

[Arthur]

never understood why people come out with the tired clichéd statement that "something is only worth what a person is willing to pay for it"..........tickles me everytime.

 

I might nip down to the local Audi or Bmw dealer with my £20k for a car tagged at £40k and see how quickly they escort me from the premises.......i'm sorry but the cliché just doesn't wash with me.  If you have an item that's sold out limited run rare or whatever then I see no reason why the seller cannot name their price.  if a buyer wants it enough they'll find that money even if its more than they was "willing" to pay so maybe we can cut the codswallop.

That's just pedantry, change 'willing' to 'prepared' to pay then. It remains a fact that nothing sells unless someone is prepared, and able, to pay the price. If they're not in sufficient numbers, either the product price drops or it's withdrawn from the market as being unprofitable.

 

Customers may think it overpriced, they may be 'willing to pay less' (strangely), but so long as there are enough people prepared to pay the asking price, the price remains. It's value is what sufficient people are prepared to pay for it.

 

There are more than enough people prepared, and able, to spend £40k, and the rest, on a BMW or Audi so the prices remain. Enough customers think they're worth it.

[sagaguy]

Is there anyone on here who would like an N scale LNER/BR 1500v EM1 or possibly an EM2.If so,please have a look here.

 

                      http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30497.0

 

 

                           Cheers,Ray.

[Crepello]

I'd certainly go for one, or some!

[Roy L S]

Yep, two, one green one black. I've already mentioned this on the N Gauge Forum (to avoid double counting it).

 

Regards

 

Roy

[sagaguy]

Yep, two, one green one black. I've already mentioned this on the N Gauge Forum (to avoid double counting it).

 

Regards

 

Roy

Hi Roy,Dave reckons 500 to get going but he also says 10 to get the ball rolling.

 

              Ray.

[No Decorum]

Is there anyone on here who would like an N scale LNER/BR 1500v EM1 or possibly an EM2.If so,please have a look here.

 

                      http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30497.0

 

 

                           Cheers,Ray.

Not me but I would like a decent EM1 and EM2 in 00.

[petemster]

.

 

No Decorum wrote, " . . . but I would like a decent EM1 and EM2 in OO".

 

 

Great idea, ND.  Only thing is, this being a DJM thread, you must be implying that DJM should do them -

in competition with the Heljan versions from Olivia's Trains.

 

OR . . . . Maybe you are suggesting that DJM could buy the Heljan tooling, sort out the various issues

              and sell the them at a realistic price!

 

What a good idea!  Put me down for eight of the EM1. 

 

Now . . . where do we get some decent ready-made catenary?

 

Pete M.

[No Decorum]

I thought of adding that we wouldn't get them because of the Olivia's Trains/Heljan ones. Clearly I should have! I certainly wouldn't suggest that DJ of all people should undertake a model of something which already exists when he is just starting his business. Sadly, I can't imagine that any manufacturer would do it. Just a daydream.

[37255]

 

I certainly wouldn't suggest that DJ of all people should undertake a model of something which already exists when he is just starting his business. 

 

 

Like an austerity?

[No Decorum]

Like an austerity?

I take your point but I wouldn't have done it, even though the Austerity is rather less obscure or specialised than EMs. All the same, I hope it's a success for him.

[Hilux5972]

 

I take your point but I wouldn't have done it, even though the Austerity is rather less obscure or specialised than EMs. All the same, I hope it's a success for him.

The current Austerity tank available from Hornby is well past Replacement date and Dave is doing just that. He was always likely to do a well liked, highly numbered class of loco. Doing a small class of loco would have been suicide for his first release. Obviously seeing that Hattons have commissioned 10 of their own special editions, as well as Daves first lot, the KESR one, and I think a Rails of Sheffield one, there is plenty of call for a newly tooled one to today's standards.

[hartleymartin]

The current Austerity tank available from Hornby is well past Replacement date and Dave is doing just that. He was always likely to do a well liked, highly numbered class of loco. Doing a small class of loco would have been suicide for his first release. Obviously seeing that Hattons have commissioned 10 of their own special editions, as well as Daves first lot, the KESR one, and I think a Rails of Sheffield one, there is plenty of call for a newly tooled one to today's standards.

 

Considering the age of the design it is doing quite well. I can see Hornby doing a more highly detailed version in the next 5-10 years and the current model going into the Railroad range.

[Hilux5972]

Considering the age of the design it is doing quite well. I can see Hornby doing a more highly detailed version in the next 5-10 years and the current model going into the Railroad range.

I very much doubt they will do a new one now that DJM is bringing this one out. The old one is definitely suitable for the railroad range though.

[Talltim]

Yeah and with my luck I would still get stuck behind the only modeler that doesn't know what personal hygiene about in the queue!

Only?

[CME and Bottlewasher]

The pre order is done on the advertised details and that is what you need to keep if you are worried about what turns up. If you dispute the accuracy of the model due to internet reviews then you'd retain the right to return the model in unopened box to the shop as not as advertised if you can't cancel before dispatch. Your rights to return a faulty model are unaffected.

There's no legal right of see before you buy, you just have to wait for it to come out. If you miss out due to it selling out then unfortunately that's the risk you took.

Pre ordering before its made is widespread, you even do it with houses, sofas etc so it's not a unique business model and why you have retail rights in case they don't meet the criteria advertised.

Good points Paul.

 

Its called 'sight unseen' and it does mess with offer, consideration and acceptance, to a certain extent, hence consumer protection with mail order direct selling regulations, also if purchased on a credit card then one can maintain some protection within the Consumer Credit Act et al. One does have 14 days to return mail (thus internet) orders when purchasing from a retailer (I believe it may have been longer at one time) too.

 

I dont think that I implied a legal right to see before buying, just an implication that it is sensible to - hope that clarifies. Personally buying a house sight unseen would be a huge risk, financial and otherwise and sofas? From a PPOV, as well as aesthetics and comfort are the two key attributes of furniture for most ordinary bods I would have thought, thus seeing and trying such a product is much preferred.

 

Although laws are in place to protect us, in this day and age, with the reduction in legal aid, the increase of solicitor and barrister's fees etc. it is best to be 'belt and braces' sure before a purchase is made, as dispute resolution and litigation is best avoided, especially where big businesses have large legal departments and the resources to out flank the lone purchaser (who's without any form of leverage). At the very least there is return P&P to be considered, but I digress.

 

Back on topic now.

 

ATB

 

CME