RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2013 Haven't we been here before? Remember the Lynda Baron song that introduced TWTW......'It's All Been Done Before.....But So Have Spring And Summer'.She's still tripping the boards,by the way....saw her in Sheffield Crucible's production of 'The Daughter In Law' by DH Lawrence,earlier in the year.Good performance,too ....Hornby please follow her example....but remember,fairy stories belong in Christmas pantomime and we're a bit long in the tooth for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Best advice in my view is to go to a retailer you know and hope he doesn't get rationed - a trick Hornby seem to be increasingly good at. I do this anyway, but it can be a challenge. Currently my two preferred outlets cannot confirm product numbers for the new Halls as the prepro models being displayed do not tally with the order forms. I wish to order small tender versions but as the paperwork has no mention of different tender types, both shops have no idea what the catalogue number is! Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Currently my two preferred outlets cannot confirm product numbers for the new Halls as the prepro models being displayed do not tally with the order forms.I'm going to be hopeful and imagine that the rationing nonsense will be behind us by the time the Halls arrive. I wish to order small tender versions but as the paperwork has no mention of different tender types, both shops have no idea what the catalogue number is!A 2014 catalogue is a great opportunity for Hornby to clear up all the mysteries about Hall details and liveries. Let's see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2013 Haven't we been here before? Remember the Lynda Baron song that introduced TWTW......'It's All Been Done Before.....But So Have Spring And Summer'.She's still tripping the boards,by the way....saw her in Sheffield Crucible's production of 'The Daughter In Law' by DH Lawrence,earlier in the year.Good performance,too ....Hornby please follow her example....but remember,fairy stories belong in Christmas pantomime and we're a bit long in the tooth for that. The TWTWTW singer was Millicent Martin, Lynda Baron did the honours on various other shows, I wonder if the latter will be in the new version of 'Open All Hours'? (which should at least arrive on time) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2013 'Ambiguous Hall ' might be a good choice of name then.I wonder what tender it will have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Also re the MZ Eats Coats HSTs, as they were an MZ exclusive, but that is no longer a going concern, would that mean that in the future (the distant future with they way things currently are sadly) that Hornby could have another EC set in the catalogue? I have been reading this thread from the outset, and there are some very interesting points being made, the input from those who have experience with overseas manufacturing and shipping are particularly useful. I for one wish Hornby all the best and that they can recover from their current problems. I'd much rather see 5 new models of various kinds arrive and see people debating the plus and minus points of them than the (very) slow drip there is at present. I have a DoG on order, the money is sat in a savings account, so the longer it takes to arrive, the more interest I gain. It also gives me chance to get some more boards made so I can have a layout to run it on! Things like the A4 set aren't really my cup of tea (although I would like a couple of Streaks) but they really need to arrive before the visitors are shipped accross the Atlantic again, fingers crossed they will! Until we get any sort of communication from our shop of choice to say that item X has arrived, there really is nothing any of us can do. We certainly can't speed up productuin, no matter howm much we might want to, Cheers J Judging by how long the MZ East Coast HST sets were sitting on the shelves for and how deeply they needed to be discounted to sell, I dont think Hornby will be in a rush to produce more so I doubt the question will arise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 As promised, a report on when new items are due from Hornby. R1171, FLIGHT OF THE MALLARD, 14/10/2013 NOW 18/11/2013 R1172, THE e-LINK MAJESTIC CONTROL, 29/10/2013 NOW 25/11/2013 R2672, CALEDONIAN RLWYS 0-4-0 BLUE, 14/10/2013 AVAILABLE R2784X, BR CLASS A4 MALLARD, 29/11/2013 NOW 29/12/2013 R2920X, LNER CLASS B17/1 'SANDRINGHAM', 25/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3019, BR (LATE) GRANGE CLASS WEATHERED, 06/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3099, GREEN NRM FLYING SCOTSMAN, 25/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3103, BR BITTERN DOUBLE TENDER SP ED, 25/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3105, GWR CASTLE WELLINGTON (S'CHIMNEY), 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3114, BR (LATE) B1 61270, 06/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3115, BR UNREBUILT WEST COUNTRY EXETER, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3118, BR CASTLE 'PENRICE CASTLE', 09/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3124, BR CLASS 42XX 4266, 04/10/2013 Now 21/10/2013 R3125, GWR CLASS 52 XX # 5274, 04/10/2013 Now 02/12/2013 R3127, GWR CLASS 72XX #7202, 04/10/2013 Now 21/10/2013 R3127X, GWR CLASS 72XX DCC FITTED # 7202, 28/10/2013 Now 02/12/2013 R3128, BR CLASS 72XX # 7229, 04/10/2013 Now 02/12/2013 R3133, EAST COAST MAINLINE TRAIN PACK, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3138, BR HST WESTERN REGION, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3160XS, BR LATE 'WINCANTON' WEST COUNTRY, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3161A, SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK, 14/11/2013 Now 20/12/2013 R3161AX, SR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK, 18/11/2013 Now 20/12/2013 R3162A, BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK, 07/11/2013 Now 20/12/2013 R3162AX, BR 2 BIL 2 CAR EMU TRAIN PACK, 08/11/2013 Now 20/12/2013 R3166, GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS, 21/10/2013 UNCHANGED R3166X, GWR KNIGHT OF THE GRAND CROSS, 28/10/2013 Now 02/12/2013 R3167, BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS, 04/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3167X, BR GLASTONBURY ABBEY 4000 CLASS, 04/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3168, DUKE OF GLOUCESTER 4-6-2, 22/11/2013 Now 16/12/2013 R3178, NCB PO 0-4-0 SENTINEL, 25/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3179, ESSO SENTINEL 0-4-0 SENTINEL, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3180, TARMAC 0-4-0 SENTINEL, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3182, GBRF CL66 WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS, 21/10/2013 UNCHANGED R3185, SOUTHERN CLASS 395 TRAIN PACK, 21/10/2013 UNCHANGED R3191, BR CL8 SP ED DUKE OF GLOUCESTER, 09/12/2013 Now 16/12/2013 R3192, HERITAGE RAIL EXPRESS TRAIN PACK, 09/12/2013 UNCHANGED R3196, THE GATHERING MALLARD, 01/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3197, THE GATHERING DOMINION OF CANADA, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3198, THE GATHERING UNION OF SOUTH AFRI, 25/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3199, THE GATHERING BITTERN, 11/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3200, THE GATHERING DWIGHT EISENHOWER, 25/11/2013 UNCHANGED R3201, THE GATHERING SIR NIGEL GRESLEY, 02/12/2013 UNCHANGED R4333, LNER TEAK BRAKE, 02/12/2013 UNCHANGED R4350, BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH, 11/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4351, BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH, 11/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4352, BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH, 11/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4353, BR Mk1 COMPOSITE R/ROAD COACH, 04/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4354, BR Mk1 3RD CLASS R/ROAD COACH, 28/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4355, BR Mk1 BRAKE 3RD R/ROAD COACH, 28/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4518A, LNER GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE, 11/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4522A, BR GRESLEY SURBURBAN 3RD BRAKE, 01/10/2013 Now 11/11/2013 R4531B, BR 61'6 (inch) FULL BRAKE, 28/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4531C, LNER GRESLEY FULL BRAKE #2, 28/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4534A, BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK, 25/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4534B, BR PUSH PULL COACH PACK, 25/11/2013 Now 09/12/2013 R4536B, BR BOGIE PASSENGER BRAKE VAN, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4537, SR UNCONVERTED OPEN THIRD COACH, 25/12/2013 Shown as "No supply" R4540, EAST COAST MAINLINE 1ST CLASS MK4, 29/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4542, EAST COAST MAINLINE BUFFET CAR, 29/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4566, BR EX LNER 61'6” CORRIDOR BRAKE, 28/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4569, BR EX LNER 61'6” CORRIDOR BUFFET, 28/10/2013 UNCHANGED R4585, BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR BLUE, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R4586, BR BOGIE PASSENGER BR RED, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R6577, PRESTWICH TARMACADAM 4 PLANK, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6579, THE NEWMARKET CO-OP 4 PLANK, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6581, MORECOMBE ELECTRICITY DEPT 4 PLK, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6586, CAMBRIAN WAGON WORKS 21 TON WAGON, 12/11/2013 UNCHANGED R6588, 5 PLK WAGON EDWIN W. BADLAND, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6592, 4 PLK WAGON FLEETWOOD IND CO-OP, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6597, 5 PLK WAGON HOPTON-WOOD STONE, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6623, BR HORSE BOX EX GWR, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R6624, BR 12 TON FISH VAN X3, 18/11/2013 Now 09/12/2013 R6638, BR 12 TON FISH VAN, 18/11/2013 Now 09/12/2013 R6638A, BR 12 TON FISH VAN, 18/11/2013 Now 09/12/2013 R6639, BR 12 PARCELS VAN SPVA, 11/11/2013 Now 09/12/2013 R6640, LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R6640A, LMS 4 WHEEL CCT VAN, 18/11/2013 UNCHANGED R6641, BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN, 25/11/2013 UNCHANGED R6641A, BR 4 WHEEL CCT VAN, 25/11/2013 UNCHANGED R6644, Hornby 2013 WAGON, 16/12/2013 UNCHANGED R8312, E-LINK + RAILMASTER + 1 Amp PSU, 11/11/2013 Now 02/12/2013 R9751, HAGLEY FOOTBRIDGE, 28/10/2013 Now 04/10/2013 ! But not yet released. Fifteen days further on. The last column gives any changes to the expected arrival at Hornby. There is an awful lot of items slipped into the 2nd half of December, which will probably mean that retailers will not see them before Hornby close down for Christmas. I also find it rather staggering that some items that were due within days of the original list being made have slipped back by weeks. Not happy reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 16, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm appalled. The much sought after 2013 wagon might not arrive until 2014 at this rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'll believe things when I see them. I bought a BR Gresley Brake 3rd 'Suburban' from Kernow's three weeks ago but I see its release has been delayed... until mid_November? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'll believe things when I see them. I bought a BR Gresley Brake 3rd 'Suburban' from Kernow's three weeks ago but I see its release has been delayed... until mid_November? There do seem to be occasional items where it is released in small batches, and it is not unknown for some retailers to not get anything from the first batch that arrives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 My long missing in action 52xx is on it's way.....finally I will be able to sleep <cough> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thanks for the update but here we go again - and rather ludicrous in some respects as my original order for BR black 4266 and 7229 were collected from the retailer at the beginning of last week (on the 8th, and they were definitely new stock, not ex Modelzone) and my replacement 7202 (replacing the badly bent one) was handed to me at the Farnham show on Saturday having been delivered to the retailer (a different one) during last week - implying it at least had arrived somewhere in England by 04 October! I do wonder about the person compiling this information for the information of retailers, does Hornby have disconnected left hands and right hands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 As I complied the list, I did keep an eye out for anything that might have been released. However, as we have not received any new models since the end of September rush, this was an easy task. Stationmaster: Your comment would back up my comment that items are now being released in batches. You have bought from the 1st batch, whilst I await stock from the 2nd batch, hopefully at the time stated in the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2013 Thanks for the update but here we go again - and rather ludicrous in some respects as my original order for BR black 4266 and 7229 were collected from the retailer at the beginning of last week (on the 8th, and they were definitely new stock, not ex Modelzone) and my replacement 7202 (replacing the badly bent one) was handed to me at the Farnham show on Saturday having been delivered to the retailer (a different one) during last week - implying it at least had arrived somewhere in England by 04 October! I do wonder about the person compiling this information for the information of retailers, does Hornby have disconnected left hands and right hands So you have work on your hands.....detailing,fault correcting....and....most importantly,weathering,Mike.Is this going to be the long awaited,much-heralded....filthiest pair of tanks west of Severn Tunnel Junction ? Maybe a pair of Duffryn Yard's finest ? Suitably 'mucked',they DO look the part and haul surprisingly ( considering their relative lack of weight ) well. Good luck ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2013 Fifteen days further on. R4537, SR UNCONVERTED OPEN THIRD COACH, 25/12/2013 Shown as "No supply" The last column gives any changes to the expected arrival at Hornby. There is an awful lot of items slipped into the 2nd half of December, which will probably mean that retailers will not see them before Hornby close down for Christmas. I also find it rather staggering that some items that were due within days of the original list being made have slipped back by weeks. Not happy reading. "No supply" is an interesting one. Could it mean that what has already been supplied is your lot (as it were) and no further batches will be produced? Not good if you pre-ordered when announced and your chosen retailer hasn't had its allocation yet... How does Hornby decide which retailers get models from each batch I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2013 "No supply" is an interesting one. Could it mean that what has already been supplied is your lot (as it were) and no further batches will be produced? Not good if you pre-ordered when announced and your chosen retailer hasn't had its allocation yet... How does Hornby decide which retailers get models from each batch I wonder? That particular model is the only one in the list that I was waiting for, but a dealer had come up trumps a couple of weeks ago, so fortunately that's that. Two leading box-shifters never showed them as in stock, implying their pre-orders had drained the pond as far as they were concerned. ISTR we had the same hookum when the 2-BIL first appeared, yet some months later there were plenty to go around, and e-bay still has a goodly supply of the original issue. Once again one feels that the size of batches is being decided by someone sticking a pin rather than by awareness of how much has been sold of a comparable nature - e.g. in this case Hornby Maunsells in olive. Baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2013 So you have work on your hands.....detailing,fault correcting....and....most importantly,weathering,Mike.Is this going to be the long awaited,much-heralded....filthiest pair of tanks west of Severn Tunnel Junction ? Maybe a pair of Duffryn Yard's finest ? Suitably 'mucked',they DO look the part and haul surprisingly ( considering their relative lack of weight ) well. Good luck ! Thanks Ian. I'm still researching numbers for the 2-8-0Ts I, one 2-8-2T will probably remain as Hornby have numbered it once I've checked the allocations while the other will undergo a major change from 7202 in GW green to 7212 in ex-works(ish) BR black as I phot'd the original at STJ in September 1962 but with the safety valve cover in place on mine . Ideally they all need to be Eastern/Western Valleys or Newport/STJ sheds for me. That particular model is the only one in the list that I was waiting for, but a dealer had come up trumps a couple of weeks ago, so fortunately that's that. Two leading box-shifters never showed them as in stock, implying their pre-orders had drained the pond as far as they were concerned. ISTR we had the same hookum when the 2-BIL first appeared, yet some months later there were plenty to go around, and e-bay still has a goodly supply of the original issue. Once again one feels that the size of batches is being decided by someone sticking a pin rather than by awareness of how much has been sold of a comparable nature - e.g. in this case Hornby Maunsells in olive. Baffling. There was a bloke selling them at the Farnham show last weekend Ian - at a fairly good discount, yet some retailers I know of had their orders reduced (and in one case such reduction denied!) by Hornby. As I complied the list, I did keep an eye out for anything that might have been released. However, as we have not received any new models since the end of September rush, this was an easy task. Stationmaster: Your comment would back up my comment that items are now being released in batches. You have bought from the 1st batch, whilst I await stock from the 2nd batch, hopefully at the time stated in the list. And yes, there seems to be no doubt at all that stuff is still being released in batches (as per my conversation with SK noted early on in this thread although I think as far as the various GW tanks are concerned we now appear to be on at least the 4th batch for some of them. I also get the impression - as mentioned above - that those 'part timers' who run their businesses from their home or lock-up etc are getting reasonable supplies (perhaps not of everything?) of stuff which is here through the wholesaler while Hornby are still 'rationing' retailers. The chap at Farnham also had a number of BR black 42XX (at £98.50 - looks like he price matches Hattons?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted October 23, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2013 I rarely stray into the realms of today's locomotives ( 1 re-motored Lima CL 60 ) however being a lifelong supporter of Wolverhampton Wanderers ( someone has to!) I am toying with the idea of purchasing the CL 66 carrying that name. I am presuming that it is a railroad version of the ex Lima 66 with the newer Hornby 5 pole motor on board. I wonder if anyone could let me know if the loco will have directional lights and be DCC ready? If it does not have lights could anyone suggest a good manufacturer of lighting rigs for locos Thanks in anticipation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I rarely stray into the realms of today's locomotives ( 1 re-motored Lima CL 60 ) however being a lifelong supporter of Wolverhampton Wanderers ( someone has to!) I am toying with the idea of purchasing the CL 66 carrying that name. I am presuming that it is a railroad version of the ex Lima 66 with the newer Hornby 5 pole motor on board. I wonder if anyone could let me know if the loco will have directional lights and be DCC ready? If it does not have lights could anyone suggest a good manufacturer of lighting rigs for locos Thanks in anticipation Hi 7013, The Class 66 is an ex-Lima model with the following features/upgrades: - new 5-pole motor - NEM couplings (narrow couplings) - 8-pin DCC socket - etched nameplates (apparently) \ *The model has no directional lights. But if you want to fit some then EXPRESS MODELS do a range of kits. Scroll down to the Class 66 section. Analogue version http://www.expressmodels.co.uk/acatalog/Head_Tail_Lights_Double_Ended_Locos.html DCC version http://www.expressmodels.co.uk/acatalog/DCC_DOUBLE_ENDED_LOCOMOTIVES.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traksy Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I rarely stray into the realms of today's locomotives ( 1 re-motored Lima CL 60 ) however being a lifelong supporter of Wolverhampton Wanderers ( someone has to!) I am toying with the idea of purchasing the CL 66 carrying that name. I am presuming that it is a railroad version of the ex Lima 66 with the newer Hornby 5 pole motor on board. I wonder if anyone could let me know if the loco will have directional lights and be DCC ready? If it does not have lights could anyone suggest a good manufacturer of lighting rigs for locos Thanks in anticipation If you want a proper class 66 buy the Bachmann one and renumber it. Its vastly superior to the Hornby loco and you need only change one number and add plates. Also comes with directional lights. Here is a sample. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I rarely stray into the realms of today's locomotives ( 1 re-motored Lima CL 60 ) however being a lifelong supporter of Wolverhampton Wanderers ( someone has to!) I am toying with the idea of purchasing the CL 66 carrying that name. I am presuming that it is a railroad version of the ex Lima 66 with the newer Hornby 5 pole motor on board. I wonder if anyone could let me know if the loco will have directional lights and be DCC ready? If it does not have lights could anyone suggest a good manufacturer of lighting rigs for locos Thanks in anticipation I have both the Lima (current Hornby shell) and the Bachmann version, in the same livery. Just on looks alone the Bachmann version is miles ahead, the mouldings are crisper, the livery application is sharper, and it comes with lights fitted. By the time you've detailed the Hornby version (£10 for the detail kit) and added lights (£18 from Express Models) you are already up to the RRP of the Bachmann model. If it were me, I'd be going for the Bachmann model every day of the week. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted October 24, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2013 Thanks gentlemen it looks like a Bachmann version and some Wolves plates and numbers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 tick, tick, tick, no trains coming down the track, there must be something wrong, been waiting on this platform far to long, where have all the Hornby models gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 How can you make money when the only product you have in abundance is "hot air" ? I seem to recall at the start of the year, word was , the newly announced Star was so far advanced that late Feb early March was expected arrival time. Yet here we are in late Oct. with another pushed back date...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrostar Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Today I received Hornby's October e-newsletter. It's October 25. It would make more sense for this to be titled November. Instead it just feels like it's been delayed, much like their stock list I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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