gazmanjack Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Hello, I'm looking for detail drawings of a SR Concrete Provenders Store. I know that these buildings were constructed as modular building, to suite any length, width, single or multiple doorways, end doors etc. I would like the drawings to have such dimensions as the size of the wall panels used, size of the doorways, height above rail, steel or timber doors and so on. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no way of measuring an existing structure myself, as I'm in Australia ! Cheers, Gary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2013 Gary, Were these tha same as the BR version? If the answer is yes I am working about 25 yards away from one! I should be able to measure it up for you over the weekend if it is any help.... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Gary, Were these tha same as the BR version? If the answer is yes I am working about 25 yards away from one! I should be able to measure it up for you over the weekend if it is any help.... Andy G Andy, You're a hero, loads of photos and measurements pleas, once again, thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmanjack Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 Gary, Were these tha same as the BR version? If the answer is yes I am working about 25 yards away from one! I should be able to measure it up for you over the weekend if it is any help.... Andy G Hi Andy, I'm positive it would be identical as they were absorbed into the BR during Nationalisation. I can't see why BR would change the design of such a functional building. That would be a huge help to me if you could measure the store up for me (and others). As 'The Bigbee Line' said above, "You're a hero, plenty of photos and measurements..." Many thanks for taking time with this, much appreciated. Cheers, Gary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2013 Ok, what I'll do is this: As from Friday I'm on early turn, which means I finsh at 2pm, so i will go and measure up bits and bobs for half an hour (as i need to be home at 3pm for the school run. You'll therefore get a bit each day for 5 days (I won't be able to do anything over the weekend) which hopefully will get it all measured up over the week. I'll make sure I have space on the camera and some spare batteries so that I can get shots of most of it for you. Watch this space! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted September 30, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2013 Andy, you're a true gent for volunteering this! I need to make a version & the Ratio kit is (in my mind) 'overly fiddly' so I'll be interested in seeing the dimensions to be able to design a version to suit my site. Thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2013 I've been working next to it for 5 years now, and was wondering how long it would take for someone to ask about dimensions! I'm presuming that they were modular, so might vary from site to site? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just to show you what I'll be measuring I took this photo yesterday: Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmanjack Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Hi Andy, I think you will find that the information you supply about these iconic railway structures will be very valuable, especially if modelling SR or early BR. I intend building the shed at Callington for my layout and there has been no way of obtaining measurements until your kind gesture. I have been into a few hobby shops in Sydney, where these have been sold, both Ratio and the Bachmann model, but there seems to be some discrepencies between the two models. With all your hard work, measuring and photographing, I'm sure that many modellers will scratchbuild there very own. Much appreciated for your ongoing support. If you lived next door, I'd shout you a beer or two down the local ! Cheers, Gary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2013 I believe the differences in size between the Bachmann & Ratio versions is due to the Ratio one only being 4 panels wide, whereas the Bachmann is 6 panels wide ie 50% wider.... A post in another thread reminded me that 'flyingsignalman' had posted pictures of the store at Caersws - post no. 3 in this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmanjack Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks Ramblin Rich, good link with a couple more useful photos. In regards to the Ratio and Bachmann models, I was under the impression that there was a significant difference between the two models produced and to which one was more accurate. But as you say, it is only the size/width of the models that distinguish them. Atleast scratchbuilding will give me what I am after. Cheers, Gary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Here is a single distant photo of the store that still survives in the yard at East Budleigh, on the former branch from Tipton St John to Exmouth, the former station seems to be a private residence and I don't think it is possible to get much closer:- Photographed from the footpath on the west bank of the River Otter (a lovely walk by the way), 9/9/2013 cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndonsdad1 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Re Trader Stores, the prototype notes for the Ratio kit states that they were originally designed and approved in 1951 and revised in 1955. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmanjack Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Nice photo Rivercider. Looking at your photo, it seems that two sections of roof (one each end) have been changed to skylights ?? Or is it just discolouration from replacing sheets of corrugated fibro (asbestos) ? Cheers, Gary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2013 The one here has some clear (well was once!) plastic in the roof to provide a bit of light (on the far side not visabile in the photo.) Was this provided on them all? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Nice photo Rivercider. Looking at your photo, it seems that two sections of roof (one each end) have been changed to skylights ?? Or is it just discolouration from replacing sheets of corrugated fibro (asbestos) ? Cheers, Gary. Gary, They look to be corrugated, but my picture, enlarged, is not clear enough to make out what type of material, sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 1, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2013 The ones here look like corrugated poly-carb.... Andy g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2013 Sadly this first installment of measurements have been delayed, as due to someone elses sickness I ended up doing a 12hour day yesterday. I'm hoping that I won't be doing anymore 12hr days this week so i can get some measurements done for you all. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 7, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2013 Ok, I've started taking measurements, but need to translate them into something that is usefull, so you will get mainly photos in this post: Firstly the columns that the building sits on. The raw casting is 39" tall, with 8" wide panels (it is hexagonal in profile). The overall width is 18" and the wall thickness is 2.5". The finish is quite rough, the shuttering is not great! These sit IN the ground so that you can get the floor level of the store at the correct height..... On top of the columns sit a cap 22" in diameter. There are four notches (opposite each other) which are 1" towards the centre of the cap and 1.75" wide. The thickness of the cap is 3": On top sits a beam. This is 123" long, 9" tall and 4" wide. At each end it has three holes spaced (to centres, from the end of the beam) 3", 8.5" and 14.75". Through these holes run long bolts with 1.25" hex bolt heads. I didn't look underneath at the beams, but two sit either side of a verticle upright, but thinking about it now, I think there must be a shorter beam in the middle of them as a packer, I'll check tomorrow! The corner posts are 99" tall and 4.75" square. They sit quite strangely, and will have to do a detail on the drawing for you to get the measurements. They also have chamfered corners from 12.5" up from the bottom. The bottom rail is 5" tall by 2" deep (well the panel is recessed 2" back!) by 73.5" long. At the ends there are cut outs which measure 4" along the beam, and from the top of the beam the cut out starts 3.5" down: Thats it for tonight, but I have more pictures to come! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmanjack Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 So far, so good Andy ! The information you have collected is superb. Keep the pics and measurements coming. Regards, Gary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2013 Funny you should say that I'm just trying to do some drawings of the details I've got so far, they ain't very good, but should give you what you need. I'm hoping to get some more measurements later, but it is a very long way up to the top of the sides! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2013 As promised some drawings. I haven't drawn the backside as it is just plain panels: If there is anything you don't understand or isn't clear let me know! I'll put some more photos up soon too, which will help as well. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2013 Firstly the beams. A couple of posts ago I wondered if there was a fillet inbetween the two beams that sit on top of the columns, the answer is no. There is just a gap betwix them. Right lets get on with the tour! These show the 1st long wall from left to right. The last panel has significant damage which you'll be able to see as we round the corner... The steel framed windows have had 1" steel strip welded to the inside by the current owner (who was fascinated by me measuring it up, and learnt a few things about the old girl as we went along!). The step under the door is also a new addition. It was added, again by the current owner, to stop the doors opening. The damage: Other shots from along this side to give detail of the details.... There's about another 40 phots to load, I've got the school run now, so will load some more later! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2013 Moving around the corner, this is the none door end. You can now see how the window panels should be! Note the bolts in the end walls at roof level, these go from end to end, and brace the whole building together. Now moving around to the front (doored) end: Note the bracing in the last shot, this is a repair piece as it is not shown anywhere else on the structure. Now for some door details: The inside brace is 4.5" wide BTW! Now odd shots of roofs, and sundry other bits: The last shot above shows the door sill, which, I suppose, is the same shape as all the bottom rails, the panels fitting in the groove. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2013 Back wall, boring and only a couple of shots... move along nothing to see here! BTW the reason the rear sits on a brick base as that is actually the dock wall, just extended upwards to accommodate the store. The wieght is spread better like this. So with the owners permission we have some internal shots. I've not measured any of this, as theres too much stuff in the way: Note that the lamp shown is a GAS lamp, the gas main running through the building and coming out through the side of the roof (seen in one of the roof misc shots.). This leads to an interesting question: This part of the village doesn't have gas, so where did the gas supply come from? (There are pipes leading to locations where other lamps would have been, but they have been removed). Thats all my photos and measurements, hopefully they are of some use. If there is something that you need let me know I can pop across and put a measure on it, or take photos. Andy g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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