Talltim Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p144531849 The front is a bit 'conceptual' (I like the idea, but not the realisation) but the rest is very nice. The long windows are cool and the windows in the doors are simple and clever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 4, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2013 Hmmm - not sure. It's clever & the main train features do seem well thought. BUT The front end looks like it should have a big digital clock display in it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I know many people like it but I'm not a fan of "walk through" carriages, and the utility of them on jam-packed Tube stock is debatable (often I can barely make it to the nearest door). Using Overground stock, it feels to me like the cosy warmth of a railway carriage has been turned into a soulless tunnel. I like the door windows, but why are carriage windows generally getting shallower? On the Victoria line stock it's now hard to see out. I guess they need the room for adverts. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I just want to unscrew it and shake the sauce out, though I think it will grow on me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 YUK Looks like a bog roll! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Anyone seen the movie Dune or that White Wormy thing with a naked Amada Donahoe ...........woops I am getting off the subject ...ah . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Love it, what railway technology needs, bold designs so long as they are practical, a genuinely memorable front end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 "I want to go to Oxford Circus, Hal." "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Try Klaatu barada nikto. Perhaps the silver bar swings up when necessary to zap passing RMT officials/LBC hosts depending on who's mayor at the time. And the tinted cab window(?) and flush interior cab door suggest any organic component in the cab - if there at all - would be plugged in. If I ever wanted to feel like a statistic, I'd take a ride on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Presumably, instead of being designated C stock or S stock or D stock, this will be R2-D2 stock. Sorry but this is hideous. It looks like something hastily slapped together by a design consultant suddenly realising he's two hours away from deadline. Total lack of imagination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 It looks like something hastily slapped together by a design consultant suddenly realising he's two hours away from deadline. Thats when the best design usually pops up in my experience.. so I organise lots of fake deadlines to get my @rse in gear and get scribbling! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Thinking about it, how'd you evacuate this if it got stuck in a tunnel with no power for hours? Y'know, if we're not all living in broad sunlit uplands in 10 years and things still go wrong occasionally. Pneumatic pressure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Not a fan at all. The interior is ok, but the front is horrid. This must never be allowed to run on LU! The windows are so small but I agree the length is nice. Doors are ok too. There don't appear to be many doors either which make for long crowded saloons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Thats when the best design usually pops up in my experience.. so I organise lots of fake deadlines to get my @rse in gear and get scribbling! Having worked as a copywriter and therefore to deadlines, myself, I can relate to what you're saying. But it clearly didn't work here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted October 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2013 The side windows are too shallow. The front end is positively revolting and probably impractical unless the train operator is seated centrally. Assuming these trains have an on-board operator and are not the driver-less beasts we are threatened with by LUL. There is reasonable space inside though I suspect a few more seats could be squeezed in if they were fractionally narrower. Not everyone is happy to stand for a typical 30-minute commute twice daily. Electronics and train control has moved ahead substantially over the years but within the constraints of building for a 12' diameter tunnel I don't think the 1938 stock has been beaten as a design yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted October 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2013 Where's the emergency evacuation door? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 There's a door in the front, or am I the only one who can see it? http://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p144531849/e7a28bbc9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2013 ^^^ Now you pointed it out I can see it! Actually I think that is a clever feature of the front end design, making the necessary less intrusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 If they ever make it on to the central line that's going to be a wilde ride for any one stood on the join as it goes round tthe bends near Bank station - talk about doing the twist. Though sorry afer saying that as I said before I do still like it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 What always worries me about the "walk through" design is what happens if there is a fire as smoke would travel through the entire length of the train. Also I would hate to be stood anywhere near the connection between the two coaches because of the way that the levels of the two coaches change so much. I can see that you could easily be knocked off balance. Are there an ystudies to show that people do actually walk through the train to a less crowded part? Or is it, as i suspect a fallacy as if part of the train is crowded the crush makes it impossible to move to a less crowded part? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted October 20, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2013 Are there an ystudies to show that people do actually walk through the train to a less crowded part? Or is it, as i suspect a fallacy as if part of the train is crowded the crush makes it impossible to move to a less crowded part? There is evidence from the Bendybus era above ground that they do not. There is some evidence from the Overground lines where class 378 EMU sets are similarly open-plan that there is little movement along the trains; passengers enter and remain fairly close to the doorway used. I haven't seen anything since the S-stock took over the Metropolitan and Circle / H&C lines but suspect the same is largely true. My personal experience on the Croydon Tramlink, class 378 units and similar open-plan rolling stock in Australia is that by and large passengers do not walk through at busier times. Perhaps perversely they do at off-peak times when seats are already available near their point of entry. In the emergency scenario of a fire taking hold an open-plan unit can be both a life-saver and a death trap. It may all depend upon individual circumstances. They could act as a chimney and funnel a fire through or there could be swift escape via an unaffected end. With up to eight cars to trek through on "traditional" tube trains (such as, until recently, the A and 1967 stocks) the time taken to open doors, file through one at a time and to negotiate the cabs mid-train could potentially take longer than a walk-through evacuation. Would you rather have a fair chance of getting out in what is - in all probability - going to be a panicked scenario or would you prefer to be trying to get through a 2' 6" doorway one at a time and step over the couplers outside in a dark and smoky tunnel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Are there an ystudies to show that people do actually walk through the train to a less crowded part? Or is it, as i suspect a fallacy as if part of the train is crowded the crush makes it impossible to move to a less crowded part? My experience of the Overground, during my stint at the olympics, was 'both', depending on the loading. The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 If they ever make it on to the central line that's going to be a wilde ride for any one stood on the join as it goes round the bends near Bank station - talk about doing the twist The train is intended to be articulated with the bogies under the joints hence they will be well behaved as on the DLR. I went and had a look on Friday, its not intended to have a driver, if they end up with a permanent occupant in the cab it will need some redesign, it looks pretty marginal even for emergency driving only. I expect the cab area on the mock up is just empty, you can't see into it at all. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2013 Not a fan at all. The interior is ok, but the front is horrid. This must never be allowed to run on LU! The windows are so small but I agree the length is nice. Doors are ok too. There don't appear to be many doors either which make for long crowded saloons. I thought there was a lack of doors. But then I realised that in fact there is a mirror which gives a false impresssion of the length of that section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2013 The walk-through principle is useful for some LUL stations where some platforms are shorter than the trains. But generally, I agree it does not get used much. It is however looked at as being important for passenger safety (from mugging etc). I am glad to learn that they are thinking of the connections being above articulated bogies. They should have done that for the new surface stock as well. The front end is rather weird - but does that matter too much on a tube train which is not seen that much? It looks as though it could be built to a good structural strength at less cost than some more fancy design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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