Kirk Coaches - Diagram 105/125 Twin Set

[Rob Pulham]

Although I have been concentrating on the B16 I have done a little on the All 3rd by picking out the handles in brass.

 

I popped all the bits together to see how it looked - it's still just plonked on the bogies with the roof just resting in place.

 

 

 

 

I hope that I might get the transfers on this weekend.

[Rob Pulham]

Although I have only one photo, the All 3rd is nearing completion. The transfers are on, it's glazed and the roo vents have been re-fitted - right number in the right place....

 

I left it on Sunday night with the glue in the glazing drying so unless I discover anything that I have missed I should have it all put together next weekend.

 

 

[Rob Pulham]

A concerted effort this weekend has seen the All 3rd nearing completion. Still to do are fitting the roof and having seen the photos sticking part of one of the rain strips down.

 

Having chosen to ultimately glue the roof on last I had, had some debate about how windows that became dislodged through handling would be replaced. After a bit of head scratching I cam up with a cunning plan.

 

Each window is an individual pane which is glued into the rebate inside the coach but I have also added a strip of secondary glazing which rests on the strip that strengthens the sides and runs the full length of the coach. It's is held in place by the edges of the compartments which I filed down to allow the glazing strip to fit. This will prevent the individual panes from being dislodged.

 

To fit the no smoking transfers I made up a little jig from a piece of 20thou styrene which was the width of the window from the outside. I measured half way up the window and marked the styrene. I then added 1mm and marked it again. After measuring the with of the transfer I subtracted this from the total width and divided the remainder by two. I measured the result from each edge and marked a vertical line from the high line to the middle line at each side and then cut the styrene out leaving me with a rectangle of styrene with a notch cut out that centres the transfer in the middle of the window both vertically and horizontally 

 

[Rob Pulham]

I am back on the trail of Kirk coach builds,  this time it's an all 3rd/brake 3rd twin set (Diags 105/125).

 

It's for the gent that I built the last two for and this time he has gone for using the supplied Kirk bogies so I thought that I might upgrade them a little. 

 

First I added some of my Silhouette cut leaf springs and then looked to make some springs for the bolsters.

 

I am aware that others have used 2ba screws to do represent the bolsters springs but to my mind the coils are a little too sharp in profile so I wound some 3mm styrene rod with 0.8/mm styrene rod to make the springs.

 

I also added the spring carriers and in hindsight I should have added the springs before sticking the carriers to the bogies because it's going to be interesting getting the springs in position now.

 

I have also assembled the sides but didn't take photos of them.

[Rob Pulham]

When fellow modellers came along to see me when I was demoing at Pontefract show, the parts that I was cutting were some brakes for my Kirk coach bogies
 

Once glued together (5 layers) they came out looking like this.

Apologies for the poor photo, white on white isn't the best combination

 

 

The demo must have been well received because I have also been asked to demo at Telford as well as Doncaster this year.

 

Not much modelling got done last week due to having a busy week compounded by minor surgery, but over the weekend the Mojo returned and I made progress on the twinset.

 

 

The first bogie now has it's bolster springs an I have the parts prepared to fit to the other two. I did end up having to remove the bolster frame to fit the springs so a lesson learned.

 

I also managed to get three of the ends attached to their respective sides. The fourth one needs cutting down for the narrower brake end.

[Rob Pulham]

This weekend saw much progress on the Twin set.

 

Timely posting of a photo of the brake end allowed me to cut the windows while the end was in the flat and then both coach bodies were assembled.

 

 

 

 

 

I also blanked of the inner ends by filling the holes for the buffers and coupling hooks and then overlaid a piece of 20 thou to form a solid foundation for the shared bogie pivot.

 

 

 

Lastly I made a start of building up/detailing the battery boxes (although there are five I only need four for this job). Next I need to cut out the end straps with the silhouette because I have run out.

[Rob Pulham]

More done on the bogies over the weekend.

 

The brakes and yokes are now fitted to all three bogies. not exactly like the real thing but will pass muster hidden away underneath the coach.

 

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If you are wondering why the rod between the two yokes? It's to hold the brakes away from the tyres to prevent friction.

 

They just need guard irons over the yokes and they are well on their way.

[Rob Pulham]

Although I haven't posted on this for a while things have progressed but there hasn't been much to take photos of.

 

We had decided to try the Sparmac queen posts from Invertrain while all the other fittings (vac tanks, roof vents, grab handles etc.) came from JLRT late last year before they closed although they look similar the key different in the Sparmac queen posts is the fact that they don't have holes for the truss rods to go through. I popped them with a punch, deepend the mark with a pin vice and then used my Proxxon Pillar drill to finish them off. Sadly taking the photos has just highlighted to me that I have missed drilling through one the holes so I will need to do that one by hand since they are now stuck firmly on.

 

I also added the vacuum tanks.

 

[Rob Pulham]

My recent lathe purchase has started me thinking about making the most of some of my other tools. I used to do quite a bit of woodworking until we converted our garage and I no longer had the room for many of the woodworking tools so I sold them.

 

What I kept were, chop saw, Router/router table and a linisher. The Router/router table, until a couple of weeks ago was in my loft so not accessible for regular use and my linisher while slightly more accessible by being under my workbench had only seen the light of day once in the last 5 years.

 

Prompted by getting something out of the loft I decided to get the Router/router table and the linisher out and take them to the other house where I have a dry brick built garage that's alarmed. Fast forward to this weekend and I decided to start making use of them so used the linisher to prepare all the partitions for the twin set. Each one needed to be profiles to fit the vacuum formed Kirk roof and it certainly made a much easier job of the 17 or so partitions plus the coach ends.

 

 

 

I reckon what I achieved today would have taken at least a couple of weekend's work to achieve filing by hand.

[Rob Pulham]

This weekend saw the previous weekends efforts all come together.

 

 

 

 

The plan is to make the roofs removable by screwing into the base of the seats that are attached to the roof.

[Rob Pulham]

Although modelling time has been limited recently I have made a little more progress with the twins.

 

I was a bit remiss in not cutting out for the ducket while I had the sides in the flat but I managed. 

 

We now have one of my silhouette cut duckets fitted. This in fact the second attempt because I was a bit heavy handed with polystyrene cement last weekend and the first effort just melted away - this one is stuck more patiently with limonene.

 

 

I had also prepped some scrap etch for the mounting brackets for the dynamos last weekend and I got those fitted too although from the photo one of them need a minor tweak to it's shape.

 

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

Hi Rob, here's a pic I have previously put on RM Web, it might help your Gresley coaches, 'note the luggage racks'.

 

manna

[doilum]

G'Day Folks

 

Hi Rob, here's a pic I have previously put on RM Web, it might help your Gresley coaches, 'note the luggage racks'.

 

manna

Love the sooty weathering!

[Rob Pulham]

No photos yet but the twins now have roof vents and T door handles. They might have had grab handles too but I need to cut them off the sprue with my piercing saw and I didn't have it with me.

[Ian Kirk]

G'Day Folks

 

Hi Rob, here's a pic I have previously put on RM Web, it might help your Gresley coaches, 'note the luggage racks'.

 

manna

Lovely photo. The Railway just as I remember it with the right degree of grime.

I think that the luggage racks were more prominent than usual on this type of coach as it has the small compartments with very little between the windows. Possibly a Quint Art. The loco has the post 1958 emblem and the coach looks maroon but I think that is really how the earlier livery "weathered" crimson plus oil plus soot looked maroon.

 

best wishes,

 

Ian

[JeremyC]

A particularly interesting topic for me as I have just bought one of these kits ( a brake 3rd) and am now gathering the additional parts needed. Having just moved up to '0' scale from '00' I am not familiar with component suppliers in this gauge and it would be helpful to know who supplied the seat mouldings you have used. Also some information about the buffers would be useful as even after looking at a lot of photos I'm still not certain as to the correct pattern.

Edited August 7, 2018 by JeremyC

[Rob Pulham]

A particularly interesting topic for me as I have just bought one of these kits ( a brake 3rd) and am now gathering the additional parts needed. Having just moved up to '0' scale from '00' I am not familiar with component suppliers in this gauge and it would be helpful to know who supplied the seat mouldings you have used. Also some information about the buffers would be useful as even after looking at a lot of photos I'm still not certain as to the correct pattern.

Hi Jeremy,

 

My appologies for not seeing and replying to this sooner.

 

The seat mouldings are from Tower Models and the Coach buffers that I plan to use are from Haywood Railway. They are the same buffers as I used on the All 3rd earlier in the thread.

[Rob Pulham]

Having got the Beer wagons finished I don't seem to have much to show for recent modelling session until now.

 

Last weekend after teaching my car to swim in a flood or two I made some visible progress on the Kirk twins.

 

Rain strips fitted - very topical, step boards fitted both from Evergreen strip which comes in longer lengths than the equivalent Plastruct and is just long enough for the 51 footers. I am not sure what I will use for the 4 60' corridor coaches I have in the stash.

 

I also sorted out the articulation between the coaches and made top hat bush to set the centre ride height.

 

 

Now all I need to do ir remember where I put the turnbuckle castings for safe keeping after drilling them out and I can crack on with the remaining underframe detailing.

[MikeTrice]

Plastruct Fineline styrene is listed as being 600mm long assuming they do the section you want.

http://www.ema-models.co.uk/index.php/

[Rob Pulham]

Thanks Mike,

By coincidence I normally buy from EMA because they do sheets of 300 x 600 for the Silhouette cutter.

 

Having looked via your link I cannot find anything longer than 250mm in the sizes of square/rectangular strip that might serve as rainstrips

[MikeTrice]

What size strip are you after?

[Rob Pulham]

Hi Mike,

 

Sorry I meant to look at the packs but forgot and they are now 80 miles away....

[Rob Pulham]

Further to my last post I was asked to take some photos of the actual connection between the two coaches.

 

 

 

 

Due to the tin overlay that I had added to the headstock I decided on the belt and braces pins right through approach to hopefully prevent them coming apart.

[Rob Pulham]

Despite spending most of Sunday house hunting I did manage to get the vacuum pipes fitted and I found the missing turnbuckle castings to which was a bonus.

 

 

Last night saw the seats and roofs primed too.