RMweb Gold Popular Post The Stationmaster Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Most of them appear to be contact prints and are of good original quality so are quite interesting although some of them have very misleading notes on the back (where they have any notes at all!). They came from a shop in Blackpool where the proprietor made a habit of buying up old photos & postcards and dividing them into subjects for resale. However he apparently was not very interested in re-selling railway photos and when teh business was closed they - among other pictures - passed to auction. Alas I didn't get all the lots considering that a couple were not going to be worth what they were likely to go for but I did get c.200 pictures and have so far scanned a small selection of mainly GW pictures, I can't scan the official GWR coaching stock pics that were - I believe sold through the BR/OPC joint venture and are subject to copyright. But I will gradually try to scan most of the other stuff (except where it carries a dealer's or photographer's clear copyright stamp) as it all appears to have come from originals taken by private individuals who in some cases were clearly on shed 'bashes'. However to start here are a couple of oddities/mysteries. The first of these was this one which was noted as 'ex Cambrian' when it obviously isn't! It is GWR 1677 which was previously B& M No.20 and was withdrawn in 1928 and was probably copied from an old negative (a glass negative perhaps?) The second one is a slight mystery - or possibly reflects an error in the RCTS details of absorbed engines? It is an 0-6-2t which is very clearly numbered 304. It has (to me at any rate) the air of a B&M engine and one of their 0-6-2Ts became GWR 504 according to the RCTS but I can't find 304 anywhere, and that number would put it among the exTVR Class 04 series. Maybe a later edition of the RCTS books clears up this little puzzle? Now identified by Industrial, thanks, as an ex TVR A Class. Incidentally having twice been told the location is Abercynon shed I have duly reprimanded myself for not adding it in the first place, especially as the brakevan in the background is labelled 'Abercynon RU' The next one is another interesting loco being ex PTR No.15 which became GWR 816 and according to a note on the back was photographed when in service with the NCB at Talywain. Next is GWR No.64 - previously RR No.24 of Class A1 - photographed at I don't know where! And finally something completely different in the shape of outside cylinder 0-6-0PT at, I suspect, Ebbw Jcn Edited October 25, 2013 by The Stationmaster 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 A bit of a mixture Mike but Oh 1506 is just like the one they had at Coventry Colliery in the 60s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold grandadbob Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 The number on the second one looks like 504 to me Mike unless I'm misunderstanding you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 Very nice. I especially like no. 1677. Thanks Mike for making sure these invaluable photos are shared and preserved for the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wherry Lines Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The number on the second one looks like 504 to me Mike unless I'm misunderstanding you. I enlarged the photo and it looks like 304 to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 Yep definitely a 3 it joins to the right of the top bar, watching with interest Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 That 1st 0-6-2ST is a bit of a beast! The next one is another interesting loco being ex PTR No.15 which became GWR 816 and according to a note on the back was photographed when in service with the NCB at Talywain. Sister loco to 813 on the Severn Valley I believe. (No 15 = 816 being from the 1st Robert Stevenson batch, 26 = 813 from 2nd Hudswell Clarke batch) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The first location looks like Machynlleth which may be why it was presumed to be ex-Cambrian. 304/504/whatever it is is at Abercynon. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post The Stationmaster Posted October 24, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) As they seem interesting I will add a few more now - again paucity of information is a problem with some alas. First off we have 3770 of Brecon shed at Neath Riverside looking south and presumably getting ready to depart for Brecon - Now back to shirtbutton days and 5117 which I had thought was probably at Oxford (general opinion favours Oxford) - And another oldie - the note on the back of the print says 3589 and from enlargement it could well be correct and alas I don't recognise the location, but someone might? By way of contrast the next one comes with a positively luxurious amount of information claiming to show 4263 and 7227 (numbers are too dirty and indistinct to check) at Banbury on 26 April 1936. It certainly looks like Banbury so no reason to doubt the notes in my view. Finally back to South Wales for 5668 at an unrecorded location which I think might be Treherbert (which was the engine's home shed from 1950 to 1961) Edited October 26, 2013 by The Stationmaster 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 for some reason im thinking knighton for the first picture (3770) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 24, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2013 for some reason im thinking knighton for the first picture (3770) I can see why but I don't think so Jim - the curve beyond the bridge goes the wrong way and the bridge is different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The 3770 picture is NOT Knighton on the Central Wales line, been there, had official plans, photo's etc., for a model about 30 years ago..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) I can see why but I don't think so Jim - the curve beyond the bridge goes the wrong way and the bridge is different.yeah, the curve of the platform goes the wrong way too but i thought id throw it out there incase it was an optical illusion as such the 2nd platform face looks to be disused too and the railhead not as shiny Edited October 25, 2013 by big jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) 15XX Class. Always liked those; sort of WR/Some other Co (Vulcan Foundry?) hybrid? Anyone do a 4mm kit of these? If it were a kit I'd say someone had fitted the wrong chassis in error having not consulted toe 'prototype bibles'. P Edited October 25, 2013 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2013 Nice photos, could that first one be Neath Riverside, the second I think is Oxford as if we were at Leamington we would see Avenue station behind it and could that thirs be at the north end of Oxford? Look forward to seeing more and love the mix of locos kind regards Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) yeah, the curve of the platform goes the wrong way too but i thought id throw it out there incase it was an optical illusion as such the 2nd platform face looks to be disused too and the railhead not as shiny It looks as though it might be quite a 'busy' area, in that there appear to be two roadbridges (one immediately above the rear coach, one some distance behind). The arrangement of bridge parapets is also odd- that on the station side is quite low, with iron 'spear' fencing on top, whereas behind the Ford Thames van is what looks like a much higher parapet. It reminds me a little of the old N&B station, but this had the SWML crossing the end of the platforms, not a road bridge (at least when I remember it). Beyond the second bridge in the background, there appear to be a couple of white posts; might these be signal posts, perhaps indicating a junction with another line? The shed code looks like 89B which was Brecon. Just been having a look at Google Maps- I wonder if it's the southern end of Neath Riverside? There's a street called 'Bridge Street' which once crossed both the river and the railway on a road bridge; the road has been severed, following the construction of the A465, and the road bridge replaced by a footbridge. This is the location I'm talking about:- http://goo.gl/maps/BxPJ0 As a bonus, there's a 66 on a train of empty HTAs .. Edited October 25, 2013 by Fat Controller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2013 15XX Class. Always liked those; sort of WR/Some other Co (Vulcan Foundry?) hybrid? Anyone do a 4mm kit of these? If it were a kit I'd say someone had fitted the wrong chassis in error having not consulted toe 'prototype bibles'. P K's used to do a kit and the body isn't too bad albeit rather basic, the chassis is - of course - K's! And one day I might even dig out mine (the kit that is) and see what sort of a fist I can make of it but while whitemetal holds no terrors for me that chassis ........ The class was specifically designed as '24 hour shunting engines' with no need to go over a pit for oiling hence the outside valvegear but their short wheelbase and outside cylinders caused them to 'waggle' rather uncomfortably unless there was bit of weight hung on them. Nice photos, could that first one be Neath Riverside, the second I think is Oxford as if we were at Leamington we would see Avenue station behind it and could that thirs be at the north end of Oxford? Look forward to seeing more and love the mix of locos kind regards Duncan And yes I'm more inclined to Oxford than Leamington partly for the reason you say although certain features don't entirely convince me, including the engine, but if it is Oxford it is a view looking south, not north as there are signals missing that would be in a northward view. (see below re Neath) It looks as though it might be quite a 'busy' area, in that there appear to be two roadbridges (one immediately above the rear coach, one some distance behind). The arrangement of bridge parapets is also odd- that on the station side is quite low, with iron 'spear' fencing on top, whereas behind the Ford Thames van is what looks like a much higher parapet. It reminds me a little of the old N&B station, but this had the SWML crossing the end of the platforms, not a road bridge (at least when I remember it). Beyond the second bridge in the background, there appear to be a couple of white posts; might these be signal posts, perhaps indicating a junction with another line? The shed code looks like 89B which was Brecon. Just been having a look at Google Maps- I wonder if it's the southern end of Neath Riverside? There's a street called 'Bridge Street' which once crossed both the river and the railway on a road bridge; the road has been severed, following the construction of the A465, and the road bridge replaced by a footbridge. This is the location I'm talking about:- http://goo.gl/maps/BxPJ0 As a bonus, there's a 66 on a train of empty HTAs .. It is definitely Neath Riverside as following your comments I've just looked on the 'net and there is pic in Google images of another pannier standing almost in the same place and showing more of the background - so either that one is wrongly captioned or you are right Brian. Definitely not looking north as you say which had caused me to not think about looking at it the other way round so to speak. 3770 was at Brecon from 1950 to late 1959 which would look to fit with the potential date of the picture's contents. So thanks to you and Duncan. Caption duly amended 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 If it helps, the Taff Vale 0-6-2T is at standing outside Abercynon shed. . Brian R . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 It is definitely Neath Riverside as following your comments I've just looked on the 'net and there is pic in Google images of another pannier standing almost in the same place and showing more of the background - so either that one is wrongly captioned or you are right Brian. Definitely not looking north as you say which had caused me to not think about looking at it the other way round so to speak. 3770 was at Brecon from 1950 to late 1959 which would look to fit with the potential date of the picture's contents. So thanks to you and Duncan. Caption duly amended Photos of that end of Riverside are pretty scarce; presumably most photographers took shots of the other end in the hope that something more glamorous than a Pannier might appear in shot on the SWML. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) And now for batch 3, I wonderhow many pages we'll run to if/when I manage to get all of them scanned and posted. We start with 1462, a 'Metro' 2-4-0T which was withdrawn in 1929, now concluded as being Oxford shed ( the number was incorrectly noted as 1402 on the back of the original). The 'saint' in the background is 2937. Next is a rather poor view - as far as the engine is concerned - of a 1366 class pannier at, I presume, Weymouth (confirmed as Weymouth by Richard E) A good broadisde of 3608 at an unidentified but hopefully very recognisable shed, is it Shrewsbury? Recognised as being Oxford with St Barnabas church in the background, thanks Dave (Unravelled), and location confirmed by Gerry (Bulwell Hall), thanks. And a nice rear three quarter view of 4598 at yet another unidentified location. Gerry (Bulwell Hall) believes it to be the branch platform at Liskeard and a check of various views of the location seem to confirm that it is, thanks However 5538, seen below, is at an instantly recognisable location - Swindon Works on 04 Feb 1957 And 8789 sits at an equally recognisable (for them as knows) Landore on 16 June 1957 Edited October 28, 2013 by The Stationmaster 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2013 If it helps, the Taff Vale 0-6-2T is at standing outside Abercynon shed. . Brian R . Indeed it is Brian - as already noted by ChrisF and regrettably left off the caption by me - I shall now try to correct my shortcoming. Incidentally all the pics will enlarge when you click on them - and in the background of this one the brakevan is branded 'Abercynon RU'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2013 on the google maps view of the site of neath riverside it looks like the 'box is still there and tracing the lines round there, there is a lot of intertwining railway in that area!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Oxford, for the Metro tank?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2013 15xx Class were all built by BR although it was a GWR design. All 10 constructed at Swindon in 1949 (lot no 373). Same boiler as the 94xx. Allocations were initially Old Oak Common for shunting ECS into and out of Paddington but later on some of the class found their way to Newport. 3 actually were sold to the NCB (and worked at Coventry colliery having been overhauled at Andrew Barclays) and then bought, in 1970, by the Severn Valley Railway, 1501, 1502 and 1509. After stripping of useful parts 1502 and 1509 were cut up at Cashmores in the same year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted October 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) The unidentified 1366 Pannier is wearing a Weymouth Shed plate so it would seem reasonable to assume that is where she was pictured. Edit to add that she is pictured alongside Weymouth Pleasure Pier from which Cosens used to run their paddle steamer excursions, alongside that, furthest away from the loco, is the Pavillion Theatre. Edited October 25, 2013 by Richard E 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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