leopardml2341 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) If somebody with any knowledge of proper procedures had been to the rear of the train and seen that there was no tail lamp, they would have found one and put it there, and done a continuity test at the same time. All that is required is that the train pipe cock is opened and the brakes confirmed to be on on the rear 8 axles. If there is no tail lamp and there should be, it means that no such person has been to the rear of the train. It is the guard's responsibility to ensure that this is done, and to sign the 'load slip' which is the driver's authority to take the train out. What has probably happened is that the tank has been added to the load by yard staff somewhere who have assured the traincrew that all is in order, and the traincrew have taken their word for it. Sloppy, shoddy, and potentially dangerous. I wonder if the brake pipes were even connected on it! Note that I am extrapolating that something along these lines accounts for the situation, and not stating it to be fact or accusing anyone of anything, but I'll bet you the next round that if you removed the tank wagon, you'd see a tail lamp and the brake hoses properly stowed with the cocks shut on the rear container wagon... Sorry johnster but i have to disagree, I think you are jumping to big conclusions, and making some serious accusations. The railway is a very different place to when you were there in the seventies. whilst a mistake has clearly been made, I would be extremely surprised if the train had left without a brake test, it is all recorded on the loco (although admittedly it can be deceived) and things are checked and taken seriously these days if any safety of line event happens and it is very unlikely that a driver would take a chance and not have asked for a test. As for train prep when you were a guard you were only interested in the one train, a shunter may be preparing several trains at once nowadays and if a lamp is missing you can no longer just simply pinch another from the train on the next road, very often lamps are in short supply (hence why you often see lamps with EWS or DB written on them on the back of freightliner train and vice versa) and the preparer would probably have to walk back to the shunters cabin for one and if as I said he was trying to do several things at once, things get forgotten. As for the tail lamp being in place on the liner wagon, that is not the case as the bracket can be seen the photo. I looked for that when the photo was first posted! Edited November 6, 2018 by 101 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) Looks like the power car uncouped, the coaches came to rest then the power car ran right round the roundy roundy to the back of its own train. Whoops! whoops.jpg Edited November 6, 2018 by Colin_McLeod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted November 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2018 If your lad (or lass) wants to couple their Class 40 to their DMU, there's no point telling them it's not right. Class 40149 & DMU by Western Bonker, on Flickr 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 If somebody with any knowledge of proper procedures had been to the rear of the train and seen that there was no tail lamp, they would have found one and put it there, and done a continuity test at the same time. All that is required is that the train pipe cock is opened and the brakes confirmed to be on on the rear 8 axles. If there is no tail lamp and there should be, it means that no such person has been to the rear of the train. It is the guard's responsibility to ensure that this is done, and to sign the 'load slip' which is the driver's authority to take the train out. What has probably happened is that the tank has been added to the load by yard staff somewhere who have assured the traincrew that all is in order, and the traincrew have taken their word for it. Sloppy, shoddy, and potentially dangerous. I wonder if the brake pipes were even connected on it! Note that I am extrapolating that something along these lines accounts for the situation, and not stating it to be fact or accusing anyone of anything, but I'll bet you the next round that if you removed the tank wagon, you'd see a tail lamp and the brake hoses properly stowed with the cocks shut on the rear container wagon... Photo caption suggests that the tank arrived at Eastleigh on the back of the train and should have been detached in the yard but wasn't. No information one way or another as to whether the train formation was changed at Eastleigh or whether it arrived there without a tail lamp. All that can be said for certain is that it left Eastleigh without a tail lamp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Photo caption suggests that the tank arrived at Eastleigh on the back of the train and should have been detached in the yard but wasn't. No information one way or another as to whether the train formation was changed at Eastleigh or whether it arrived there without a tail lamp. All that can be said for certain is that it left Eastleigh without a tail lamp. Maybe the lamp was detached at Eastleigh and and train went on its way before the tank was detached too !!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railsquid Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Whoops! whoops.jpg In Berlin, between Hackescher Markt and Friedrichstrasse stations (presumably heading west). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just in case you can't afford any MK3. http://www.railway-centre.com/uploads/7/2/2/3/7223531/pod-07-11-18_1_orig.jpg Citation "07-11-18. On 6 November 2018, two East Midlands Trains HST Power Cars are captured in transit from Leeds Neville Hill Depot to Derby Etches Park Depot, and recorded heading past Sandal & Agbrigg. Leading (right) is ex-Grand Central No. 43465 hauling original EMT liveried No. 43073. The with subtle livery differences can be seen. photo by Peter Marsh" http://www.railway-centre.com/november.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2018 In Berlin, between Hackescher Markt and Friedrichstrasse stations (presumably heading west). I'll take your word for it! It was definitely Berlin, and Friedrichstrasse sounds about right... Just in case you can't afford any MK3. http://www.railway-centre.com/uploads/7/2/2/3/7223531/pod-07-11-18_1_orig.jpg Citation "07-11-18. On 6 November 2018, two East Midlands Trains HST Power Cars are captured in transit from Leeds Neville Hill Depot to Derby Etches Park Depot, and recorded heading past Sandal & Agbrigg. Leading (right) is ex-Grand Central No. 43465 hauling original EMT liveried No. 43073. The with subtle livery differences can be seen. photo by Peter Marsh" http://www.railway-centre.com/november.html Yes it's a nice comparison of the two liveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Yes it's a nice comparison of the two liveries. Couldn't afford two when they were issued and had to settle for a near-match when the next batch arrived ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 If your lad (or lass) wants to couple their Class 40 to their DMU, there's no point telling them it's not right. Class 40149 & DMU by Western Bonker, on Flickr Jeez look at those Lionel Blair's. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2018 Are the rail joints in your crossover a bit iffy? Not to worry...... 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Are the rail joints in your crossover a bit iffy? Not to worry...... DSC06911.JPG DSC06912.JPG Doesn't look like it gets a lot of use anyway ......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Wonkey decals on your locos...? Worry not...! (Photo by Stuart Williams at Old Oak, 5th September 1974) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Interesting pic ^^^ I always thought the Hymeks retained their cast numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2018 Doesn't look like it gets a lot of use anyway ......... The crossover doesn't get used very much, but the line it is on does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ncarter2 Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2018 Doesn't look like it gets a lot of use anyway ......... Give the size of the gap they obviously couldn’t get the holes to line up. Not ideal, but allowable for a short term fix while a permanent fix is sorted. Given it’s on a IBJ, and looking at the condition of it, TCF waiting to happen!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2018 ... allowable for a short term fix ... As far as I can recall, it has been like this since the Selby area EROS resignalling which was undertaken during Railtrack days - so that is 15+ years and counting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2018 Wonkey decals on your locos...? Worry not...! FB 7017 SF 050974 Stuart Williams.jpg (Photo by Stuart Williams at Old Oak, 5th September 1974) Interesting pic ^^^ I always thought the Hymeks retained their cast numbers? All except 7017 IIRC Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Yes, 7017 had all of it's cast numbers removed during a complete repaint in the Factory at Old Oak in the Summer of '74, the vinyl numbers were added under the driver's window only on each side. 7076 also had one set removed at one end only and vinyls added in their place. Edited November 9, 2018 by Rugd1022 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Not railway related, but you do see a lot of these on layouts and in model shops. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium blackpete Posted November 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2018 91 & HST at Claypole:https://www.flickr.com/photos/billatkinson2/36537596234/ 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Interesting pic ^^^ I always thought the Hymeks retained their cast numbers? Hi There, I think that 7017 had had an accident and the cast numbers didn't survive the rebuild of the cab, someone will have the full details of the reason. Gibbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Hi There, I think that 7017 had had an accident and the cast numbers didn't survive the rebuild of the cab, someone will have the full details of the reason. Gibbo See my post #1695 a little further up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Need some lineside rail staff but only got people in swimwear in the spares box? No problem: https://goo.gl/images/xjjJ2V 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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