Prototype for everything corner.

[Wickham Green too]

31 minutes ago, Mel_H said:

Fancy putting a 'privy' on your freight train?

Well, you shouldn't need to empty THAT retention tank very often. 

[montyburns56]

"You want how many brake vans?"

 

SLS/MLS Furness Railtour 1967

 

 

 

[jonny777]

That second photo has also managed to capture one of very few (maybe the only) Derby Lightweight in blue with SYP. 

[Boris]

2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

Well, you shouldn't need to empty THAT retention tank very often. 

Challenge accepted

[rab]

3 hours ago, Mel_H said:

Fancy putting a 'privy' on your freight train?

 

 

Much cheaper than fitting tanks to every carriage.

Run one of those in every consist and pipe all the

carriages to it.  

[Davexoc]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

 

 

 

And the 08 is a prototype for when you've overdone the weathering, or to hide wasp stripes that went a bit dodgy....

[keefer]

"the new tank wagons for the export of vintage malt whisky are marked as 'petrol and mineral oil', to deter pilfering - and have an armed guard as a last resort"

[rodent279]

2 hours ago, rab said:

Much cheaper than fitting tanks to every carriage.

Run one of those in every consist and pipe all the

carriages to it.  

Ah, so that what's meant by "through piped"....

[PatB]

6 hours ago, rab said:

Much cheaper than fitting tanks to every carriage.

Run one of those in every consist and pipe all the

carriages to it.  

I assumed it was added to the ends of trains before carriages got indoor plumbing. Mind you, I can see the level differences leading to some hilarious back-siphoning problems. 

[37114]

On 26/06/2020 at 19:13, Western Aviator said:

 

Here’s another unhealthy specimen. I remember pulling off the southbound M6 somewhere in Cumbria or Lancashire having seen this train waiting in a loop and assuming it would follow the next up passenger, which it did. Other than that, I don't know the exact location, loco number, what train it was or even the date (apart from early 90s).  

 

 

 

It is 37023, it had non standard marker lights at no2 end.

[Fat Controller]

7 hours ago, PatB said:

I assumed it was added to the ends of trains before carriages got indoor plumbing. Mind you, I can see the level differences leading to some hilarious back-siphoning problems. 

To be boringly prosaic, it's a guard's lookout, a common feature of mainland European stock. It has a brake standard, and if he's lucky, a seat for the guard. Quite a few Italian and Spanish ferry vans were so equipped.

I'm curious about the springs on the wagon; there seem to be two, parallel, sets of them.

[LMS2968]

19 minutes ago, Fat Controller said:

To be boringly prosaic, it's a guard's lookout, a common feature of mainland European stock. It has a brake standard, and if he's lucky, a seat for the guard. Quite a few Italian and Spanish ferry vans were so equipped.

I'm curious about the springs on the wagon; there seem to be two, parallel, sets of them.

Probably assister springs, common on road vehicles. There is a light spring in use all the time, but this deflects when the vehicle is loaded to bring a second, heavier spring into play to deal with the greater weight.

[Wickham Green too]

1 hour ago, LMS2968 said:

Probably assister springs, common on road vehicles. There is a light spring in use all the time, but this deflects when the vehicle is loaded to bring a second, heavier spring into play to deal with the greater weight.

I think a few early air-brake wagons on BR had something similar.

[RLBH]

2 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

To be boringly prosaic, it's a guard's lookout, a common feature of mainland European stock. It has a brake standard, and if he's lucky, a seat for the guard. Quite a few Italian and Spanish ferry vans were so equipped.

 

In the days before continuous brakes, end, European and American railways provided a number of brakemen along the length of the train to set the brakes on their wagons in motion. I don't know if it was done much in the UK, although Ffestiniog gravity slate trains were worked this way.

 

Obviously gives finer control than a brake van, but considerably more railwaymen to pay and rather worse conditions for them!

[talisman56]

On 26/06/2020 at 19:13, Western Aviator said:

 

Here’s another unhealthy specimen. I remember pulling off the southbound M6 somewhere in Cumbria or Lancashire having seen this train waiting in a loop and assuming it would follow the next up passenger, which it did. Other than that, I don't know the exact location, loco number, what train it was or even the date (apart from early 90s).  

 

EDIT: it’s subsequently been identified as 37023 (thanks to poster 37114 for the information).

 

 

I didn't realise Class 37 engines had a 'make smoke' setting...

[montyburns56]

Low Moor, Bradford 1967

 

 

Low Moor 1966

 

 

Bradford Exchange 1967

 

 

[jonny777]

Some great examples of weathering on those locos. 

[pH]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

Low Moor 1966

 

First engine number I ever recorded! It was a Polmadie engine at the time (1962).

[markw]

10 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

Low Moor, Bradford 1967

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re-Sprayed coach without masking roof

[luckymucklebackit]

7 hours ago, markw said:

Re-Sprayed coach without masking roof

 

Also the solebar!

 

Worth also noting that this appears to be a newly outshopped blue and grey coach with a NE prefix in 1967, surely must have been one of the last applied as NE ceased to be used at the end of 1966

 

Jim

[Wickham Green too]

1 hour ago, luckymucklebackit said:

 

Also the solebar!

 

I think blue would have been correct for a corporate solebar at this date ....... and note that the bogie ( etc.) is a very deep brown rather than black.

[keefer]

And the very small numerals.

This would be pretty much the Corporate Manual version of blue/grey i.e. as designed, before any concessions to day-to-day practicality.

See also these pics from Robert Carroll on Flickr:

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by keefer

[rodent279]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

I think blue would have been correct for a corporate solebar at this date ....... and note that the bogie ( etc.) is a very deep brown rather than black.

Solebars were blue on mk1's until the end of the blue/grey era I believe. I certainly remember them in the mid 80's, though more often than not they were a rusty brown.

Edited July 9, 2020 by rodent279

[keefer]

Corporate Manual spec sheets for mk1 & 2 coaches, courtesy doublearrow.co.uk :

 

List of BR colours:

[Mel_H]

On 07/07/2020 at 12:39, Wickham Green too said:

I think a few early air-brake wagons on BR had something similar.

I think it is for ride comfort for the guard, as the non-guard version has conventional single springs. If you want some, then Rivarossi are making them (new tooling), which is where the pictures came from...