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10 hours ago, Mel_H said:

.......  If you want some, then Rivarossi are making them (new tooling), which is where the pictures came from...

If they were ferried into the UK in the late forties ( I see no chaining-down rings ) and if Rivarossi are producing them in 4mm scale I'd love to take a couple .......................

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Here's one for when you're still saving up for the trailers!

HST power cars, 43160 leading and 43088 pass Boat and Anchor crossing, Bridgwater, this afternoon 10/07/20, returning to Laira Depot from Wabtec, Doncaster Works. I understand these are 2 out of 4 additional power cars purchased for use as spares or possible additional Castle Class sets.

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7 minutes ago, montyburns56 said:

"Fancy a race?"

 

Peterborough 1985

 

Peterborough June 1985,an HST departs for Kings Cross as a class 110 waits in platform 3 with a GNGE Joint line service to Doncaster.

 

Hi Monty,

 

Interestingly as a two car set the 110's had a better power to weight ratio than a standard HST set, possibly quicker over the first half a mile.

 

Gibbo.

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1 hour ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi Monty,

 

Interestingly as a two car set the 110's had a better power to weight ratio than a standard HST set, possibly quicker over the first half a mile.

 

Gibbo.

 

 

One evening back in the 70's, I was on a 304 going south leaving Nuneaton. At the same time, an 86 was also leaving south with a London train. There was a chap leaning out of a window of the kitchen car of the express; "beat you to Rugby" said I. The other chap just moved his head from side-to-side, saying no. The 304 raced away over the first half mile before being overtaken by the 86. 

 

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On 09/07/2020 at 17:49, keefer said:

And the very small numerals.

This would be pretty much the Corporate Manual version of blue/grey i.e. as designed, before any concessions to day-to-day practicality.

See also these pics from Robert Carroll on Flickr:

M308_Wolverton_c1968

 

M9395_Blaenau-Ffestiniog_24-9-66

 

The lower picture (Blaenau Ffestiniog?) must be no earlier than 1966, so I am impressed by the coach in the background extreme right of frame.  It looks a bit like a Period 1 LMS Restaurant Car, but is in unlined maroon livery, which would be incorrect if such a vehicle still existed in service as late as this; lined maroon like the SK or SO behind it.  This latter coach is a recent production as it has B4 bogies.  

 

On second thoughts it can't be Blaenau Ffestiniog.  It isn't raining...

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4 hours ago, The Johnster said:

The lower picture (Blaenau Ffestiniog?) must be no earlier than 1966, so I am impressed by the coach in the background extreme right of frame.  It looks a bit like a Period 1 LMS Restaurant Car, but is in unlined maroon livery, which would be incorrect if such a vehicle still existed in service as late as this; lined maroon like the SK or SO behind it.  This latter coach is a recent production as it has B4 bogies.  

 

On second thoughts it can't be Blaenau Ffestiniog.  It isn't raining...

 

I think that you are right about that being an ex-LMS catering vehicle on 6-wheel bogies. Probably in some departmental role rather than in public use. If I can find my copy of Jenkinson/Essery, I will check the date they were last in service.

 

Edit to add: Last Period II catering vehicle in service (D1811), December 1962, so well before any blue/grey coaches.

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13 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

*in a David Attenborough voice*

 

"Here we see the Class M9 in its natural environment, hiding from its prey..... the trainspotter "

 

M9 868 at No 19 shop Dematagoda after fire dammage in 30.10.2011

 

 

Is that one of those 67 relatives with a ruston engine? 

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On 06/07/2020 at 19:29, montyburns56 said:

"You want how many brake vans?"

 

SLS/MLS Furness Railtour 1967

 

67 433 020967 Barrow D5716 and D3412

 

 

 

 

 

On the subject of brake vans, we may have had this before - but it is worth a second post. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, jonny777 said:

 

 

On the subject of brake vans, we may have had this before - but it is worth a second post. 

 

 

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Interesting the loco isn't showing engine and van headcode 

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8 hours ago, The Johnster said:

The lower picture (Blaenau Ffestiniog?) must be no earlier than 1966, so I am impressed by the coach in the background extreme right of frame.  It looks a bit like a Period 1 LMS Restaurant Car, but is in unlined maroon livery, which would be incorrect if such a vehicle still existed in service as late as this; lined maroon like the SK or SO behind it.  This latter coach is a recent production as it has B4 bogies.  

 

On second thoughts it can't be Blaenau Ffestiniog.  It isn't raining...

How about a Period 2 Corridor third something like M1498 or M1501 (D1782) which became Mess & Dorm vans?

 

1501 is preserved, was DM395801

http://www.lmsca.org.uk/stock/1501.php

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24 minutes ago, russ p said:

 

Interesting the loco isn't showing engine and van headcode 

 

 

No, it is a class E (I think) lamp code, but maybe they only connected up the first few vehicles to save time?

 

 

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27 minutes ago, russ p said:

 

Interesting the loco isn't showing engine and van headcode 

It would be wrong if it was. Class G, later 0, was light engine and up to TWO brake vans, which hardly fits in this case.

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The vans look very uniform for "in service" vehicles. Are we sure it's not a delivery run of new/refurbished vehicles? If such were the case, would an engine and van code be appropriate, or would it be a normal freight which just happens to be made up of vehicles that look like brake vans? 

 

Edit: Oops. Just blew the photo up a bit and read the caption. Next time, maybe I'll do that before asking the question. 

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5 hours ago, melmerby said:

How about a Period 2 Corridor third something like M1498 or M1501 (D1782) which became Mess & Dorm vans?

 

1501 is preserved, was DM395801

http://www.lmsca.org.uk/stock/1501.php

I don't think it's a Dia.1782 as what would have been compartment ventilator looks to be more-or less centred over the axlebox - wrong for PII TK or TO .......... I'd guess a former catering vehicle or Brake Third which didn't have the lavvy at the end !!?!

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5 hours ago, jonny777 said:

 

 

On the subject of brake vans, we may have had this before - but it is worth a second post. 

 

 

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Must have been from the last batch built ( Lot 3394 ) - these were 250 vans from Ashford .............. they're probably not all behind that single Type 2, tho.

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41 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

I don't think it's a Dia.1782 as what would have been compartment ventilator looks to be more-or less centred over the axlebox - wrong for PII TK or TO .......... I'd guess a former catering vehicle or Brake Third which didn't have the lavvy at the end !!?!

I'll have a look again at the coach list in Hugh Longworths book

It lists, as well as when the coaches finished revenue service, any later life as departmentals.

Essery & Jenkinson don't have that info.

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18 hours ago, The Johnster said:

The lower picture (Blaenau Ffestiniog?) must be no earlier than 1966, so I am impressed by the coach in the background extreme right of frame.  It looks a bit like a Period 1 LMS Restaurant Car, but is in unlined maroon livery, which would be incorrect if such a vehicle still existed in service as late as this; lined maroon like the SK or SO behind it.  This latter coach is a recent production as it has B4 bogies.  

 

On second thoughts it can't be Blaenau Ffestiniog.  It isn't raining...

On Flickr Robert Carroll shows the date as 24-9-66 which would make it the LCGB Conwy Valley Railtour. https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/660924lc.html.

 

Regarding the LMS coach, all of the post-grouping restaurant cars were flush sided, not beaded panelling, so it isn't one of those. I am drawn to the possibility of it being one of the D1707 Royal Scot semi-open firsts which went into departmental stock c1957/58.

Some LMR departmentals were finished in unlined maroon. 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

On Flickr Robert Carroll shows the date as 24-9-66 which would make it the LCGB Conwy Valley Railtour. https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/660924lc.html.

 

Regarding the LMS coach, all of the post-grouping restaurant cars were flush sided, not beaded panelling, so it isn't one of those. I am drawn to the possibility of it being one of the D1707 Royal Scot semi-open firsts which went into departmental stock c1957/58.

Some LMR departmentals were finished in unlined maroon. 

 

 

 

All of 1023-1027 (D1707) went into departmental use.

1023 (DM395205) is preserved on the East Lancs Railway:

http://lmsca.org.uk/wiki/1023

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