RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Yep, although judging from the problems with it seems to be the black sheep of the family. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Railways_M9 I looked at that earlier, they sound fantastic. Not sure what the engine is its smaller than the CSVT range I initially thought these locos had the same engine as the 37/9s but they are V12s . New engine or something going back a while? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Regarding the LMS coach, all of the post-grouping restaurant cars were flush sided, not beaded panelling, so it isn't one of those. I am drawn to the possibility of it being one of the D1707 Royal Scot semi-open firsts which went into departmental stock c1957/58. Some LMR departmentals were finished in unlined maroon We seem to have an answer. The lack of lining suggested a departmental but I couldn't square what I thought was a period 1 restaurant car with this! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 11/07/2020 at 02:02, The Johnster said: The lower picture (Blaenau Ffestiniog?) must be no earlier than 1966, so I am impressed by the coach in the background extreme right of frame. It looks a bit like a Period 1 LMS Restaurant Car, but is in unlined maroon livery, which would be incorrect if such a vehicle still existed in service as late as this; lined maroon like the SK or SO behind it. This latter coach is a recent production as it has B4 bogies. On second thoughts it can't be Blaenau Ffestiniog. It isn't raining... Blaenau it is on 24 Sept. 1966. The coach behind is a mess coach in departmental red livery, with panelled over windows and gangways removed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post montyburns56 Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 "The 15:36 stopper from Bradford to Leeds will be running slightly behind schedule" 20 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 19 hours ago, The Johnster said: We seem to have an answer. The lack of lining suggested a departmental but I couldn't square what I thought was a period 1 restaurant car with this! My photo in my collection has doors inboard of the ends and toilets at end. That rules out D1707 and D1782. I propose it's a D1807 Open third of 1931-2, a number of these were departmental, of which DM395784 & 811 are possible candidates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 D, 1807 was a flush sided period 2 open third. It more likely to be one of diagrams 1721,1723 or 1795, all of which were beaded and had cantrail panels. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, montyburns56 said: "The 15:36 stopper from Bradford to Leeds will be running slightly behind schedule" Still better than a Pacer! 1 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Still better than a Pacer! Unless you are on the overflow wagon! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2020 Still better than a pacer, and faster than an 08! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 6 hours ago, The Johnster said: Still better than a pacer, and faster than an 08! Indeed, and Class 03 has of course been used for passenger work in the past. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jonny777 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Do you have a problem with the trailer half of your DMU? Broken coupling perhaps, or derailing bogie? Fear not, just run the powered car on its own. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, jonny777 said: Do you have a problem with the trailer half of your DMU? Broken coupling perhaps, or derailing bogie? Fear not, just run the powered car on its own. Did the driver have to reverse whilst leaning out of the cab window for the return service? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, jonny777 said: ....... Fear not, just run the powered car on its own. Clearly we have problems among the staff here ..... the driver's sneakily uncoupled himself from the rest of the train 'cos he didn't get on with the guard. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel_H Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) On 11/07/2020 at 22:00, russ p said: I looked at that earlier, they sound fantastic. Not sure what the engine is its smaller than the CSVT range I initially thought these locos had the same engine as the 37/9s but they are V12s . New engine or something going back a while? Sadly, not one of Alstom's finest products when fitted with the Ruston (MAN B&W) V12 RK2154T for export sales, rather than the EMD 710 (as fitted to the Class 66, 67 and 69). According to the caption, this one had only re-entered service a year before after overhaul and upgrade, but is a good flame thrower. Sounds throaty though. The 16-strong M7 class, built by Brush in 1981 with EMD 645 power units (think Class 59) were probably a better buy... Edited July 13, 2020 by Mel_H 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben B Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Mel_H said: Sadly, not one of Alstom's finest products when fitted with the Ruston (MAN B&W) V12 RK2154T for export sales, rather than the EMD 710 (as fitted to the Class 66, 67 and 69). According to the caption, this one had only re-entered service a year before after overhaul and upgrade, but is a good flame thrower. Sounds throaty though. The 16-strong M7 class, built by Brush in 1981 with EMD 645 power units (think Class 59) were probably a better buy... Good grief, how many barbecued pigeons must have dropped from under the footbridge after that service pulled away 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 22 hours ago, melmerby said: Unless you are on the overflow wagon! I'd take my chances! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 12/07/2020 at 21:06, Merfyn Jones said: My photo in my collection has doors inboard of the ends and toilets at end. That rules out D1707 and D1782. I propose it's a D1807 Open third of 1931-2, a number of these were departmental, of which DM395784 & 811 are possible candidates. The window position relative the bogie would I think points towards the D1721/1722/1738/1795. If your picture shows the toilet window that would narrow down the possibles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Following a tip from @Merfyn Jones I did some digging and found two more pictures which confirm the body side layout of the mystery coach at Blaenau Ffestiniog. It does appear to be an early P2 open coach with panel beading. 42574/42644 Blaenau Ffestiniog 24.9.66 by George Woods, on Flickr Photo by John M Cramp, 30937 Transport Photograph Database on Flickr Edited July 15, 2020 by TheSignalEngineer Typo 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Following a tip from @Merfyn Jones I did some digging and found two more pictures which confirm the body side layout of the mystery coach at Blaenau Ffestiniog. It does appear to be an early P2 open coach with panel beading. 42574/42644 Blaenau Ffestiniog 24.9.66 by George Woods, on Flickr Photo by John M Cramp, 30937 Transport Photograph Database on Flickr Going OT slightly that mk2 must have been virtually brand new , wonder how it ended up in charter set as we know them today 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, russ p said: Going OT slightly that mk2 must have been virtually brand new , wonder how it ended up in charter set as we know them today It started from Euston so was probably one of the Euston/Manchester/Liverpool sets that was spare at the weekend. From the late 1960s through to the 1980s we used to get them on our holiday trains, including the Pullman sets to Devon and Cornwall. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 hours ago, russ p said: Going OT slightly that mk2 must have been virtually brand new , wonder how it ended up in charter set as we know them today There was another at the other end of the train, 7 coaches, the rest were Mk.1s one being blue/grey. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Merfyn Jones said: There was another at the other end of the train, 7 coaches, the rest were Mk.1s one being blue/grey. The first years of the electric services were a bit of a mixture. Still lots of maroon stock amongst the blue/grey and a lot of mixed Mk1 / Mk2 rakes especially when the Manchester / Liverpool via Birminghams were introduced in 1967. There was a shortage of BSOs on the LMR which is what resulted in 90mph Porthole BSKs being painted blue/grey as a stopgap measure. Very entertaining downhill through Betley Road when the driver forgot he had one on the train. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 15/07/2020 at 10:55, TheSignalEngineer said: It started from Euston so was probably one of the Euston/Manchester/Liverpool sets that was spare at the weekend. From the late 1960s through to the 1980s we used to get them on our holiday trains, including the Pullman sets to Devon and Cornwall. Yes and when the WCML Mk3 sets appeared, they often had 31s in charge; as seen here at Teignmouth. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Feels like I can finally contribute to this thread. Take a look at this clip, 8 minutes in. Now, I can't recall seeing a DMU formation quite like this anywhere previously in the thread. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted July 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, LU_fan said: Feels like I can finally contribute to this thread. Take a look at this clip, 8 minutes in. Now, I can't recall seeing a DMU formation quite like this anywhere previously in the thread. Which neatly takes us back to where this thread started, Oddball DMU formations. Edited July 18, 2020 by rab 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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