Prototype for everything corner.

[Wickham Green too]

That should be on the 'When the Prototype looks like a Train Set' thread - no two wagons the same ! ( almost )

[PatB]

5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

That should be on the 'When the Prototype looks like a Train Set' thread - no two wagons the same ! ( almost )

My first thought was that it was the c1990 incarnation of the Triang/Triang-Hornby/Hornby Railways Freightmaster set .

[peanuts]

On 27/10/2020 at 22:59, Gibbo675 said:

Hi Keefer,

 

I would guess that the unit is newly outshopped from Horwich works and on its way back to its home depot as Horwich was at the time engaged in the overhaul of various Midland region electric units.

 

Gibbo.

sounds about right when i started as a trb at Edgley jn no1 in Nov 81 12 car southern units would stable on the down goods between Cheadlehulme & edgley jn no2 where they would perform a loco change from electric to diesel before going forward to Horwich iirc the reverse manouver would take place on the goods at Heaton Norris jn on the return journey usualy mustering an 81/85 under the wires and class 40 too from Horwich   . signalmen were suitabley armed with a carriege key to "liberate" the long seat cushions which fitted nicley along the tops of the low lockers giving a comphy seat on nights to stretch out on

 

[peanuts]

14 hours ago, BR(S) said:

Nothing unusual about a Speedlink train, but some unusual wagons in the consist, including a car transporter with a few vans and some engineering wagons:

 

47227 Dawlish. 1st September 1989. by Stanners 1092, on Flickr

 

Would regulaly see train consists similar to this coming off the goods at Heaton Norris jn . the goods line had a trailing feed into the Bells waggon works at Redish North via a ground frame . waggons would either be tripped in on target 28 ex Dewsanap that would trip Stockport coal yard  and Northenden as required  before returning to Dewsnap (usualy HAA/BA for refurbishment ) or in the case of double deck  car  transporters work down from Healey Mills  drop off at Bells then forward to Arpley via the cheshire lines . could this be a similar move to a local waggon repair facility ?

Edited November 4, 2020 by peanuts

[eastwestdivide]

4 minutes ago, peanuts said:

could this be a similar move to a local waggon repair facility ?

I'd guess not, otherwise why would there be vehicles on the car transporters?

Also I don't think there were any major wagon repair depots down that way. Nearest I can think of in that period was Marcroft at Radstock, tripped from Westbury, where I occasionally photographed trains of freshly-overhauled wagons coming back into service.

[Steven B]

Scenic fiddle yard:

66133 66550 66083 66118 Doncaster Down Decoy by British Rail 1980s and 1990s, on Flickr

[rab]

8 hours ago, eastwestdivide said:

I'd guess not, otherwise why would there be vehicles on the car transporters?

Also I don't think there were any major wagon repair depots down that way. Nearest I can think of in that period was Marcroft at Radstock, tripped from Westbury, where I occasionally photographed trains of freshly-overhauled wagons coming back into service.

Yes we do use cars west of Dawlish

[Ramblin Rich]

11 hours ago, eastwestdivide said:

I'd guess not, otherwise why would there be vehicles on the car transporters?

Also I don't think there were any major wagon repair depots down that way. Nearest I can think of in that period was Marcroft at Radstock, tripped from Westbury, where I occasionally photographed trains of freshly-overhauled wagons coming back into service.

There was a wagon repair yard at Exmouth Junction, but might have closed by then. Besides, this train is heading away from there.  

Fairly sure most of the wagons are revenue earning, apart from the 'Dutch' livery Sea Urchin(?); there's possibly oil, bitumen & LPG tanks for Cattewater in Plymouth. The Cargowaggon van could be anything, possibly empty clay traffic. HEA hoppers could be coal for Plymouth or Drinnick Mill, empties for calcified seaweed or barrier wagons. Final van also could be anything; MOD for Plymouth area, empty to Cornwall for clay or beer or another barrier.

Such a shame the variety of traffic dwindled and Speedlink faded away

[The Pilotman]

21 hours ago, Ramblin Rich said:

Fairly sure most of the wagons are revenue earning, apart from the 'Dutch' livery Sea Urchin(?); there's possibly oil, bitumen & LPG tanks for Cattewater in Plymouth. The Cargowaggon van could be anything, possibly empty clay traffic. HEA hoppers could be coal for Plymouth or Drinnick Mill, empties for calcified seaweed or barrier wagons. Final van also could be anything; MOD for Plymouth area, empty to Cornwall for clay or beer or another barrier.

Such a shame the variety of traffic dwindled and Speedlink faded away

Apart from the wagons with the Ford Transits, I’d agree that all of that consist is typical Speedlink traffic for that area and period. The second wagon is one of the two TTA “Clan” tankers hired by the Inveresk Paper Company for china clay slurry and the third looks like a former caustic soda tanker repurposed for china clay slurry too (both empty in that direction, of course). The inclusion of non-revenue earning wagons was not unusual in Speedlink freights and the sheer variety of wagons is what makes that period so interesting for me.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Western Aviator

[Fat Controller]

There is a precedent for vehicle traffic west of Exeter. I have seen one photo of a diesel-hydraulic on a westbound VB freight,  with two Carflats in the formation with a selection of British-Leyland vehicles. In another similar photo, the gretaer part of the load consists of Carflats laden with either Escort or Ital vans, freshly-liveried for BR use.

[PatB]

I think the issue is not that there are vehicles on a car carrier in the West Country, but that a wagon wouldn't go to/from repair with them on board.

[Wickham Green too]

7 hours ago, PatB said:

I think the issue is not that there are vehicles on a car carrier in the West Country, but that a wagon wouldn't go to/from repair with them on board.

.... unless it had been in transit ( geddit ? ) when the repair became necessary ...... which is probably not the case here as there are two of it !

[101]

It was extremely rare that a loaded vehicle went to a wagon shops for repair. If a fault developed en route that required a wagon being stopped (red carded) then the C&W mobile gang would attend and make it fit to travel, if the wagon still needed further attention it would be green carded and go to shops after it was unloaded.

[Metr0Land]

Not as outlandish as some on this thread, but if you're looking for an excuse to run a Peak with IC liveried Mk3 stock, your search is over.

 

45121 by Redhill Bull, on Flickr

[lmsforever]

On 04/11/2020 at 18:30, rab said:

Yes we do use cars west of Dawlish

But surely all the narrow lanes are more suited to horse and carts?

[hmrspaul]

7 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

.... unless it had been in transit ( geddit ? ) when the repair became necessary ...... which is probably not the case here as there are two of it !

Sorry but no, it is one wagon but a Comtic - 3 axle articulated with the appearance of two Lowmacs joined together. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/comtic

 

Lovely consist, Speedlink was a very interesting period. There were only two of those Inveresk tanks https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/inveresktta

 

Paul

[Wickham Green too]

34 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

Sorry but no, it is one wagon but a Comtic - ...

.... and the con-trick certainly had me fooled !

[The Pilotman]

7 hours ago, Metr0Land said:

Not as outlandish as some on this thread, but if you're looking for an excuse to run a Peak with IC liveried Mk3 stock, your search is over.

 

45121 by Redhill Bull, on Flickr

What a cracking picture; thanks for posting it! I’ve seen plenty of pictures of 31s (in pairs of course), 47s and 50s on these Mk3 rakes that got down to the West Country in the summer but this is the first shot I’ve seen with a Peak on the front. I’ll bet it didn’t happen very often.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Western Aviator
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[pheaton]

8 hours ago, Metr0Land said:

Not as outlandish as some on this thread, but if you're looking for an excuse to run a Peak with IC liveried Mk3 stock, your search is over.

 

45121 by Redhill Bull, on Flickr

it was more common than you think

[rodent279]

I thought Peaks and 31's couldn't supply power to mk3's?

[RP82]

 

Never knew an 87 was fitted with a Stone Faivley pantograph 

 

 

[RP82]

1 hour ago, rodent279 said:

I thought Peaks and 31's couldn't supply power to mk3's?

I've read in the past that Deltics can't provide ETH to mk3s

[DavidB-AU]

3 hours ago, RP82 said:

 

Never knew an 87 was fitted with a Stone Faivley pantograph 

 

87005 and 87101 also carried them for a short time before the Brecknell-Willis became standard.

 

 

 

Cheers

David

Edited November 7, 2020 by DavidB-AU

[DavidB-AU]

3 hours ago, RP82 said:

I've read in the past that Deltics can't provide ETH to mk3s

 

Deltics were certainly hauling Mk 3s on occasions by around 1979 but it didn't seem to be common.

 

 

Deltics hauled a couple of excursions to Oban in 1981 using one of the spare push-pull sets.

http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/21_2-8-81.htm

 

Cheers

David

[rodent279]

4 hours ago, DavidB-AU said:

 

87005 and 87101 also carried them for a short time before the Brecknell-Willis became standard.

 

 

 

Cheers

David

For a long time, all 87's except 009 had AEI cross-arm pantographs. IIRC it was about 1983-4 when Brecknell-Willis pans became standard.

I remember 009 was the odd one out.