Prototype for everything corner.

[pH]

3 hours ago, PhilH said:

I apologise if this has been on before, and for only posting a link, however I wasn’t sure of copyright etc. However it’s the first time I’ve seen it and maybe if new some might be interested.  

Picture of both of the J67s modified to work the Lauder Light:

 

https://d240vprofozpi.cloudfront.net/locos/J/j67j69.jpg

[montyburns56]

Carmarthen - Old Oak Common empty newspaper train 1983 complete with Class 121 DMU 54286

 

 

[rodent279]

11 minutes ago, montyburns56 said:

Carmarthen - Old Oak Common empty newspaper train 1983 complete with Class 121 DMU 54286

 

 

What max speed would that have been allowed?

[melmerby]

55 minutes ago, rodent279 said:

What max speed would that have been allowed?

Do you mean how fast can the 121 push the 47?

 

That became a Sandite coach.

[Titan]

1 hour ago, rodent279 said:

What max speed would that have been allowed?

 

70mph I would expect, think everything apart from the DMU is permitted to run at 90mph+

[eastwestdivide]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

Carmarthen - Old Oak Common empty newspaper train 1983 complete with Class 121 DMU 54286

Wasn’t all that unusual to see DMU vehicles in parcels trains. Derby sent overhauled Cricklewood ones back that way. Will try and look out a couple of examples in my collection. 

[Davexoc]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

Carmarthen - Old Oak Common empty newspaper train 1983 complete with Class 121 DMU 54286

 

 

 

1 hour ago, rodent279 said:

What max speed would that have been allowed?

 

15 minutes ago, melmerby said:

Do you mean how fast can the 121 push the 47?

 

That became a Sandite coach.

 

Well technically it was a class 149 DTS which was then reclassified 121. There was no 54286, maybe 56286 or if a typo 56284.

As it had no engines it was probably being dragged at up to 70MPH, but then as it has no engines, gearboxes or final drives, could it have been faster?

[Wickham Green too]

According to sources to hand Memerby's right and 54286 became TDB977466 in December '86 .............. and my 1985 Platform 5 lists it as class 121 ............. though it may have been a 149 - which sounds more like a Pacer - in the dim and distant past .........

Edited May 20, 2021 by Wickham Green too
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[jonny777]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

Carmarthen - Old Oak Common empty newspaper train 1983 complete with Class 121 DMU 54286

 

 

 

 

This brings back memories of my spotting days on the GN&GE, specifically to see a similar train but from Lincoln to March which conveyed dmu cars on the rear, fresh from overhaul. 

 

Most of my underlinings of E79xxx East Anglian based units were from these trains. I was lucky in that the line curved in the distance and so I could be prepared for the number of dmu cars to be concentrated on. 

 

There was a similar train which ran down the ECML to Kings Cross, although as well as dmu vehicles, it also had the occasional newly painted blue non-gangwayed suburban coach in the consist. The numbers in the E43xxx or E46xxx series were somewhat confusing until I read a copy of Railway Observer some time later. 

[jonny777]

32 minutes ago, Davexoc said:

 

 

 

Well technically it was a class 149 DTS which was then reclassified 121. There was no 54286, maybe 56286 or if a typo 56284.

 

 

Wouldn't 56286 have been renumbered around that time, to 54286? 

 

There is a 54286 in my 1986 Platform 5 book - listed as at Southall but unserviceable. 

 

 

[Davexoc]

5 minutes ago, jonny777 said:

 

Wouldn't 56286 have been renumbered around that time, to 54286? 

 

There is a 54286 in my 1986 Platform 5 book - listed as at Southall but unserviceable. 

 

 

 

Just checked Longworth, which has renumbering in May 83, with the change to TDB977466 in October 86. So possibly May 83 shot then...

 

Quite why a London Division based DTS is in S Wales, but as it looks almost ex-works, could it have been tagged onto the westbound newspapers at Swindon to get it back to London on the return leg?

[caradoc]

15 hours ago, jonny777 said:

Wouldn't 56286 have been renumbered around that time, to 54286? 

 

DMU cars in the 50xxx and 56xxx series were renumbered for the introduction of POIS, to avoid confusion with locos with the same numbers. By that time sadly there was no need to renumber the 55xxx DMU cars...

 

[Wickham Green too]

15 hours ago, Davexoc said:

.... Quite why a London Division based DTS is in S Wales, ...........

Have we established the location ? ......... it certainly has a South Wales feel to it and most of the Carmarthen to OOC is a little flatter than this .......

[melmerby]

3 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

Have we established the location ? ......... it certainly has a South Wales feel to it and most of the Carmarthen to OOC is a little flatter than this .......

It says East Usk on the photo.

[montyburns56]

21 hours ago, Davexoc said:

 

 

 

Well technically it was a class 149 DTS which was then reclassified 121. There was no 54286, maybe 56286 or if a typo 56284.

As it had no engines it was probably being dragged at up to 70MPH, but then as it has no engines, gearboxes or final drives, could it have been faster?

 

According to Railcar.co.uk it was renumbered in 83 to 54286.

 

https://www.railcar.co.uk/data/vehicle/54286

 

[montyburns56]

A Southern Region Bogie B Van, a MK1 BG, a tanker wagon and some Hawksworth??? coaches

 

Barnstaple Junction 1963

 

 

[Wickham Green too]

To be within the train that tank must be vacuum braked - or at least piped ............ little doubt it'll be a milk tank.

[Bulleidnutter]

Milk from Torrington is the most likely explaination. The Hawksworth BG and the Maunsell Van B will be carrying churns. The yellow/ orange patches denote the van being stove fitted.

[Wickham Green too]

Looks like a Mk1 BG to me !

[melmerby]

17 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

Looks like a Mk1 BG to me !

Possibly a missing comma?

The Hawksworth, BG and the Maunsell Van B........

Edited May 22, 2021 by melmerby

[montyburns56]

I believe that's an ex-LMS 6-Wheel Stove R in the train, which may not have been that unusual at the time, but still.....

 

Pontardulais May 1963

 

 

[brushman47544]

16 minutes ago, montyburns56 said:

I believe that's an ex-LMS 6-Wheel Stove R in the train, which may not have been that unusual at the time, but still.....

 

 

To me the van looks green and bogie fitted, so I would agree with the OP that it’s a Stove fitted ex-SR Van B.

[melmerby]

confusion reigns.....

[Chris116]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

 

Pontardulais May 1963

 

 

Now it is just a single platform on a single track line! 

[Corbs]

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