RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted July 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Phatbob said: Lovely picture of a 6PUL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_6Pul), but the pressence of the Pulman is perfectly normal for these units. Maybe it’s time to start a new thread called “I thought this picture showed something very unusual, but as a result of subsequent posts by more knowledgeable people, it turns out that it was actually very common”. Or something like that. 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: ..... the hotchpotch of coaches that made me post it. Is that second coach part of the standard formation as it looks to be totally different to the rest of the train? ... The ( non-Pullman ) trailers were pretty well standard Maunsell style vehicles - though stretched onto a longer frame for electric use - whereas the motor coaches were semi integral vehicles. These were also open style rather than side-door and had drop windows so looked rather different - though both features appeared on other Maunsell stock too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Edinburgh Rambler Railtour 1970 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Edinburgh Rambler Railtour 1970 Hi Monty, It looks like the first coach is one of those Triang Caley coaches that has been converted into one of the more usual 57' types. Very well done y the looks of it. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted July 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: Well to be honest it was more the hotchpotch of coaches that made me post it. Is that second coach part of the standard formation as it looks to be totally different to the rest of the train? I wasn't even aware of these trains until I came across this picture. I've seen the 5-PUL before, but not this one. The motor coaches were all steel and built by outside contractors. The other vehicles were as others have said, essentially standard Southern Railway stuff, so they never matched and neither did the Pullman Car! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 ......... but it always intrigues me that the Southern stuck firmly to a standard 62' for their electric stock* and then put effectively 'steam stock' 58' Corridor Firsts in the 6CIT & 6PAN sets .... very odd. * except one batch of early suburban units Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Note these are HST trailers not LHS MK3s Stockport 47033 1987 by KDH Archive 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 30, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2021 Would the Mk2 barrier coach have both buckeyes and buffers, which of course the HST stock doesnt have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, melmerby said: Would the Mk2 barrier coach have both buckeyes and buffers, which of course the HST stock doesnt have? It does yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 59s only work heavy Mendip trains of many thousands of tonnes? A few modeller budgets friendly ones. 2011: 59205 'L. Keith McNair' drifts past Brassknocker with a lightweight 6C41 Newport ADJ - Westbury - formed of just two IOA Mussel wagons. 2020: 59003 'Yeoman Highlander' waits time in Westbury Down Yard with 6O41 to Eastleigh. 66729 and 66754 were dead in tow after working a ballast train over the weekend and the heavyweight load comprised a sole OCA Bass wagon! Both pics linked from my Flickr. Jo Edited July 30, 2021 by Steadfast 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 30, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, melmerby said: Would the Mk2 barrier coach have both buckeyes and buffers, which of course the HST stock doesnt have? It's not even a dedicated barrier coach, just a normal mk2 FK. As with most BR coaches, it has a dropable buckeye and retractable buffers. Buckeye up and buffers retracted for coupling to other coaches, buckeye dropped and buffers extended (with a collar on the shank to stop them retracting) when coupled to a loco. As you say, some sort of barrier coach is needed as the HST buckeyes are fixed and there are no buffers, so no way for the loco to couple to them. Edited July 30, 2021 by keefer 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted July 30, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: Note these are HST trailers not LHS MK3s Stockport 47033 1987 by KDH Archive Interesting because it is a cross country set, and most other photos that I've seen would utilise a GWML set with the Generator Van at the far end. Guessing it has been assembled at Laira, due to the NSE Mk2 at the near end. Although the generator van is probably the oldest vehicle in that train, it might actually be the only one still extant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, keefer said: It's not even a dedicated barrier coach, just a normal mk2 FK. As with most BR coaches, it has a dropable buckeye and retractable buffers. Buckeye up and buffers retracted for coupling to other coaches, buckeye dropped and buffers extended (with a collar on the shank to stop them retracting) when coupled to a loco. As you say, some sort of barrier coach is needed as the HST buckeyes are fixed and there are no buffers, so no way for the loco to couple to them. Would, for example, a Cl91 be able to couple to the HST Mk3s, as although they have buffers, they also have buckeyes and rubbing plates? (Pic linked to Flikr) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Yep ! Kings Cross : 18/3/89 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK123GWR Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Yep ! Kings Cross : 18/3/89 I thought HST Mk3s did not have buffers, which this coach does. Unless you are showing that the buckeye coupling is in use, but the whole area is too dark for me to see whether that is the case or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Yep ! Kings Cross : 18/3/89 That looks like a loco hauled MK3 not an HST set. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I don't think it's a normal loco-hauled Mk3a. It's got a guard's compartment and the roof vents are wrong. I think it could be a Mk3b BFO, or an HST TGS with buffers fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Buffer fitted TGS (from when the 91+mk3+DVT power car sets were formed. Don't know how many TGS were so treated) but the buffers are retracted (note the collar stowed on its bracket under the buffer), so must be using the buckeye Edited July 31, 2021 by keefer 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I once read that only a couple of the ECML TGS received buffers for those tests before the decision was made that they weren't needed with the 91s coupled up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 t' other end of the set : - 43.068 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 37110 at Perth on a service to Arbroath 1983 by KDH Archive 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted July 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Not quite the train set standard brake + composite, but close enough! Edited August 1, 2021 by Ramblin Rich stupid kone pheboard 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 But is close enough good enough ? - denying the good folk of Tayside the option of First Class accommodation ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: But is close enough good enough ? - denying the good folk of Tayside the option of First Class accommodation ! A second class compartment was better than the first class in any of today’s trains, and could even provide a form of sleeping accommodation at a push. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: But is close enough good enough ? - denying the good folk of Tayside the option of First Class accommodation ! The good folk of Tayside are far too canny to throw away money on frivolities like first class tickets. Mark 1 compartment stock was very comfortable - provided the heating was working. Perth is beautiful on a sunny summer's day as is the surrounding countryside but you can get awfy cauld waiting for a late running train on a dreich December day 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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