ianmacc Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 16 hours ago, montyburns56 said: 37110 at Perth on a service to Arbroath 1983 by KDH Archive D6830 and a couple of triang mark one s lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 31264 and HST Wakefield 1983 by KDH Archive 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Looks like a mk1 BG, GUV, ex-LMS BG, tank wagon, SR CCT/PMV, BR open wagon, ex-LMS BG, CCT??, SR CCT/PMV, Cartic and a brake van to boot! Doncaster 1978 by KDH Archive 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Thanks for all the replies. I think my question should have been as the Cl91 blunt end has a buckeye coupler and rubbing plate, why did the HST TGSs need buffers? Although it seems that it was decided they didn't, which I wasn't aware of... On 31/07/2021 at 10:16, Satan's Goldfish said: I once read that only a couple of the ECML TGS received buffers for those tests before the decision was made that they weren't needed with the 91s coupled up. As for the other end of the set, the HST Cl43 with buffers, this was needed for coupling up to "conventional" locos. I remember seeing the hybrid HST/91 sets running between Leeds and Bradford, before that route was electrified, hauled in both directions by a Cl31 - buffers and screwlinks involved. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted August 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2021 11 hours ago, DavidBird said: Thanks for all the replies. I think my question should have been as the Cl91 blunt end has a buckeye coupler and rubbing plate, why did the HST TGSs need buffers? Although it seems that it was decided they didn't, which I wasn't aware of... As for the other end of the set, the HST Cl43 with buffers, this was needed for coupling up to "conventional" locos. I remember seeing the hybrid HST/91 sets running between Leeds and Bradford, before that route was electrified, hauled in both directions by a Cl31 - buffers and screwlinks involved. Maybe they thought there might be a need to haul the sets with conventional locos as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 31/07/2021 at 21:24, Mol_PMB said: A second class compartment was better than the first class in any of today’s trains, and could even provide a form of sleeping accommodation at a push. Second class compartments were good for sleeping, at least in my experience - but only if there were two people per compartment, one each side. I remember on a very exhausting three day tour of Scotland by train, I fell asleep on the way to Georgemas Junc with the sound of a 26 throbbing away through the open windows. Excellent. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, jonny777 said: Second class compartments were good for sleeping, at least in my experience - but only if there were two people per compartment, one each side. I remember on a very exhausting three day tour of Scotland by train, I fell asleep on the way to Georgemas Junc with the sound of a 26 throbbing away through the open windows. Excellent. As long as the heating was on - once did a trip from Manchester to London on an overnight (not sleeping) service leaving around midnight - it was made up of Mark2a coaches and it went round the houses to get to Euston by about 4am. It left Piccadilly, off went the lights (fine) and off went the heating to be replaced by a constant draft from the centre vestibule doors. Never again did try that, did have a better outing on a Crewe-Cardiff postal, that Mark 1 compartment was comfortable. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Way back in 1981 I fell asleep, in a very warm ETH fitted mk1, at New Street only to wake up just as the train having changed engjnes at Coventry (slept through that) was heading past Coventry 'box towards Leamington. I should have alighted at Coventry at zbout 02:00; had to get a taxi back which cost me £10 - about £40 today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 I remember getting an overnight train from Preston in 1978, after a mate and I had spent the day on the station. We found an empty Mk1 compartment, pulled down the blinds turned the heating to max and shut the door. With us both laid out across the seats each side of the compartment, and thought we may get a few hours of shuteye before Euston. However, first stop was Wigan; and within minutes of the train stopping, the compartment door opened and in walked some kind of local man mountain, who proclaimed "it's hot in here" and opened the window, then turned off the heating. FFS!! As we left Wigan for Warrington, we got up and went down the carriage where we soon found another empty compartment, shut the door, turned on the heater, etc., and repeated the whole process again. Fortunately, we were not disturbed again, apart from a ticket inspector at one point. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, DavidBird said: ....... why did the HST TGSs need buffers? Although it seems that it was decided they didn't, which I wasn't aware of... As for the other end of the set, the HST Cl43 with buffers, this was needed for coupling up to "conventional" locos. ......... Sometimes the TGS DID need buffers : - ......... when a train needed re-shuffling after arriving like this : - 91.009 + 43.080 : 5/12/89 Edited August 3, 2021 by Wickham Green too 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Sometimes the TGS DID need buffers : - Then again if you have a suitable 08: 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Many years ago I travelled overnight to Munich, stretched out in a compartment. Unknown to me the train doubled as a commuter service towards the end of the journey and when I awoke, dishevelled, bleary-eyed and confused, there were four smartly-dressed Germans sat on the seat opposite me. Thankfully they did not seem in the least upset ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 hours ago, caradoc said: Many years ago I travelled overnight to Munich, stretched out in a compartment. Unknown to me the train doubled as a commuter service towards the end of the journey and when I awoke, dishevelled, bleary-eyed and confused, there were four smartly-dressed Germans sat on the seat opposite me. Thankfully they did not seem in the least upset ! If that was UIC-X stock, you would have been more comfortable pulling the seats on the window side together across the compartment. The four Germans would thus have been comfortable in the four seats nearest the corridor. When I inter-railed with a friend in 1975, we did this several times. On one occasion, we were sharing the compartment, with an attractive American girl of Danish origins. I did get woken at one point during the night! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Sometimes the TGS DID need buffers : - Were they that short of motive power that that was all they could scrounge up for a main line working? Edited August 4, 2021 by talisman56 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 One evening four of us bagged the second class compartment in a 4CIG on a late Victoria-Brighton/Ore service which split at Haywards Heath. The usual thing was to be woken up by the 60' track on the Ouse Valley viaduct ready to fall out of the train at the Heath and make our way home. One evening we didn't and were woken up by the carriage cleaners in Ore sidings. We later discovered that CWR had been laid on the viaduct between this trip and the previous similar one... 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 A Buffet car just for the TPO staff? Inverness 1972 by KDH Archive 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: A Buffet car just for the TPO staff? Inverness 1972 by KDH Archive Hi Monty, I'm as impressed by the two thirds clean front of the locomotive. Gibbo. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowley 47521 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Monty, I'm as impressed by the two thirds clean front of the locomotive. Gibbo. I thought that was a shadow at first but it isn’t is it? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Monty, I'm as impressed by the two thirds clean front of the locomotive. Gibbo. I was taken by the stubby little signal arms. They must be the shortest full height arms going. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 4069 Posted August 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) On 04/08/2021 at 23:02, melmerby said: I was taken by the stubby little signal arms. They must be the shortest full height arms going. I'll raise you Wimbledon Edited March 31, 2022 by 4069 Picture restored 7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Them's not stubby little signal arms ...... them's stubby BIG signal arms ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted August 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 28/07/2021 at 14:14, DK123GWR said: Alternatively, heritage railways could show railways as they were in the good old days, before these horrible things we have nowadays called locomotives came along and ruined them. Image from wikimedia commons. NO they produce methane which is much worse that CO2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, Vistisen said: NO they produce methane which is much worse that CO2 Depends on the relative quantities. Anyway horses aren't the real offenders there - it's flatulent beef cattle overfed on grass. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 20 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Monty, I'm as impressed by the two thirds clean front of the locomotive. Gibbo. Brush was too short? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 How many people have Mallard and Flying Scotsman on their layout running (at the same time). Something of an excess of world-famous locomotives (indeed the top 2 in terms of 'modern' steam and pop fame). I always thought my layout looked a bit rediculous in this regard. However I have just found two pictures from the 1986 Shakespeare Express season. I have long known 4468 and 4472 worked alternate services during 1986 SE season, and there are pictures of a lineup of 4472, 4468 and 4498 together in Marylebone, but never realised the two RAN in tandem: https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/861026sl.htm And this https://www.alamy.com/lner-steam-locomotives-4472-flying-scotsman-and-4468-mallard-at-langley-warwickshire-uk-26th-october-1986-image366431541.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=8ADF464F-FD8F-4DA4-BF36-CD5B9CE06CC4&p=14086&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3d4472%20flying%20scotsman%26qt_raw%3d4472%20flying%20scotsman%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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