montyburns56 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 21 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Monty, I'm as impressed by the two thirds clean front of the locomotive. Gibbo. The BR budget was tight in 70s, the long brushes cost another 50p back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Something else that you can do with your Hornby model..... Morecambe 1972 by KDH Archive 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 hours ago, G-BOAF said: How many people have Mallard and Flying Scotsman on their layout running (at the same time). Something of an excess of world-famous locomotives (indeed the top 2 in terms of 'modern' steam and pop fame). I always thought my layout looked a bit rediculous in this regard. However I have just found two pictures from the 1986 Shakespeare Express season. I have long known 4468 and 4472 worked alternate services during 1986 SE season, and there are pictures of a lineup of 4472, 4468 and 4498 together in Marylebone, but never realised the two RAN in tandem: Being pedantic, surely the "Shakespeare Express" runs from Birmingham to Stratford, courtesy of Vintage Trains? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Something else that you can do with your Hornby model..... Morecambe 1972 by KDH Archive It's true! All the old, worn out stock gets dumped on the North! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Hadn't realised the North South divide had shifted to between Morecambe and Liverpool/Manchester !!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: Hadn't realised the North South divide had shifted to between Morecambe and Liverpool/Manchester !!?! A friend of mine in Liverpool hated all southerners. Unfortunately, he regarded Warrington as the deep south! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, LMS2968 said: A friend of mine in Liverpool hated all southerners. Unfortunately, he regarded Warrington as the deep south! Warrington is about 1 mile south of Liverpool! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2021 12 hours ago, LMS2968 said: It's true! All the old, worn out stock gets dumped on the North! Bet its still more comfortable than stadlers and Hitachis 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 5 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Waiting for the punchline... 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 04/08/2021 at 18:06, talisman56 said: One evening four of us bagged the second class compartment in a 4CIG on a late Victoria-Brighton/Ore service which split at Haywards Heath. The usual thing was to be woken up by the 60' track on the Ouse Valley viaduct ready to fall out of the train at the Heath and make our way home. One evening we didn't and were woken up by the carriage cleaners in Ore sidings. We later discovered that CWR had been laid on the viaduct between this trip and the previous similar one... It was somewhat amusing to see the reaction of certain regular travellers who considered the compartment was designed personally for their sole use. I remember on a coastal trip from Brighton, probably to Eastbourne or Hastings many years ago, a person seemed completely put out when he opened the outside carriage door to discover me, SWMBO and three lively children occupying most of the seats. He looked at us with a stare of disdain, which is understandable after having stood at the precise point on the platform where he knew the carriage door would stop. To give him credit, he did sit it out in the corner for a while, but was probably relieved to get out at his destination. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 20 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Depends on the relative quantities. Anyway horses aren't the real offenders there - it's flatulent beef cattle overfed on grass. It is a common misconception that all cattle methane is produced by farting cows, but the truth is that the majority is exhaled in their breath as a result of the fermentation process. I'm not sure how a cow can be described as overfed. Does anyone have data on the amounts of grass that a cow should eat each day? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, jonny777 said: It is a common misconception that all cattle methane is produced by farting cows, but the truth is that the majority is exhaled in their breath as a result of the fermentation process. I'm not sure how a cow can be described as overfed. Does anyone have data on the amounts of grass that a cow should eat each day? I don't have any data for cows. But knowing quite a few people with horses and sheep, the simple answer is that it varies - a lot. Depending on the weather, the nutritional value of grass differs greatly. So the animals may need more of it or, better, supplementary feedstuffs in a poor year. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 05/08/2021 at 17:52, Compound2632 said: Depends on the relative quantities. Anyway horses aren't the real offenders there - it's flatulent beef cattle overfed on grass. And they are not that good at pulling trains either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 If the wagon's too heavy for a horse to handle, try something a little bigger... They can even be worked in multiple: 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said: They can even be worked in multiple: Gives a different meaning to the phrase describing the arrangement of multiple locomotives as ‘elephant style’. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, pH said: Gives a different meaning to the phrase describing the arrangement of multiple locomotives as ‘elephant style’. Imagine an alternative history, in which James Watt used elephants instead of pit horses in his experiments to determine power. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Bowesfield D5159 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, rodent279 said: Imagine an alternative history, in which James Watt used elephants instead of pit horses in his experiments to determine power. Well, yes - but there were very few elephants roaming the streets of Glasgow for him to use in measurements. Edited August 6, 2021 by pH 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Vistisen said: And they are not that good at pulling trains either. A pair of Oxen in yoke are pretty good. At least the power of a heavy horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mol_PMB Posted August 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2021 The brake van's supposed to go at the back, isn't it? 19 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, melmerby said: A pair of Oxen in yoke are pretty good. At least the power of a heavy horse. Not the experience of the mine owner William Hedley at Wylam the oxen's unsuitability ultimately leading to the trial of steam traction - the rest is history. Edited August 6, 2021 by john new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: If the wagon's too heavy for a horse to handle, try something a little bigger... They can even be worked in multiple: I wonder what the typical tractive effort of an Indian Elephant is? How does it compare to an African Elephant? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: Bowesfield D5159 Notice an 'Invacar' loaded on this first wagon. Are vehicles 2 & 3 ferry vans of some description? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 33 minutes ago, melmerby said: I wonder what the typical tractive effort of an Indian Elephant is? How does it compare to an African Elephant? Or indeed a Steam Elephant? 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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