Popular Post montyburns56 Posted August 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 "So we've got our all new, shiny EMU to go to Glasgow. What have we got to pull it?" Oubeck 1967 by KDH Archive 22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: "So we've got our all new, shiny EMU to go to Glasgow. What have we got to pull it?" Oubeck 1967 by KDH Archive Interesting. I had imagined they were all delivered new in electric blue without the yellow ends. Is this a new one of a later batch, or an overhauled/modified unit turned out in rail blue? Forgive my ignorance! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted August 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: Interesting. I had imagined they were all delivered new in electric blue without the yellow ends. Is this a new one of a later batch, or an overhauled/modified unit turned out in rail blue? Forgive my ignorance! That's a class 311, later built derivative of class 303. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said: Interesting. I had imagined they were all delivered new in electric blue without the yellow ends. Is this a new one of a later batch, or an overhauled/modified unit turned out in rail blue? Forgive my ignorance! The 303s were built by Pressed Steel in Linwood around 1960 so were in Caledonian Blue, the 311s were built by Cravens in 1967, so were in rail blue from new 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben B Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 On 07/08/2021 at 20:32, montyburns56 said: Midgeholme 1953 Wow, I didn't realise ACME used British Rail as a distributer. Wonder how long it too Wile.E.Coyote to get that via Wagonload delivery? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Looks to have a wrap round windscreen, I thought the 303s had been rebuilt with flat windscreens before the 311s would be built ? Never saw them until the 70s, as we lived in deepest rural Ayrshire till then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted August 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: Interesting. I had imagined they were all delivered new in electric blue without the yellow ends. Is this a new one of a later batch, or an overhauled/modified unit turned out in rail blue? Forgive my ignorance! In earlier days https://zenfolio.page.link/h47o3 303 on delivery from pressed steel. Regards Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, duncan said: Looks to have a wrap round windscreen, I thought the 303s had been rebuilt with flat windscreens before the 311s would be built ? Never saw them until the 70s, as we lived in deepest rural Ayrshire till then. According to Wiki, the 311s curved windscreens from new weren't replaced with flat until the '70s I assume the brake van had a buckeye at one end because that's what the 311s have. How do you brake the ensemble? (9F - vacuum, class 311 - Air) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, melmerby said: According to Wiki, the 311s curved windscreens from new weren't replaced with flat until the '70s I assume the brake van had a buckeye at one end because that's what the 311s have. How do you brake the ensemble? (9F - vacuum, class 311 - Air) Hi Kieth, I would say if it only a three car set it is no less of a trouble than unfitted goods, also that there is a brake van at the head and likely one at the other end. Gibbo. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthBox Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, melmerby said: I assume the brake van had a buckeye at one end because that's what the 311s have. They had drophead buckeyes. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Kieth, I would say if it only a three car set it is no less of a trouble than unfitted goods, also that there is a brake van at the head and likely one at the other end. Gibbo. Back in the 50s/early 60s, I used to see full sets of tube stock being delivered down the GW from Met-Cam(?), through Tyseley. Normally something like a Grange on front and a barrier vehicle (large van) front & rear 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 8 hours ago, melmerby said: According to Wiki, the 311s curved windscreens from new weren't replaced with flat until the '70s I assume the brake van had a buckeye at one end because that's what the 311s have. How do you brake the ensemble? (9F - vacuum, class 311 - Air) The Bishop of Welchester was passing by and there was a traction engine involved………… Keith 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 11 hours ago, melmerby said: How do you brake the ensemble? (9F - vacuum, class 311 - Air) Again forgetting the operating of railways in the past. Running trains unfitted was a normal thing and moves of coaching stock and multiple units was no exception! Just because stock is fitted it doesn’t mean it has to be used! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dave John Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 The guard could travel in the rearmost cab of the 303/311 and apply the handbrake if required ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Unless things had changed since my day, he would be in a brake van. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Dave John said: The guard could travel in the rearmost cab of the 303/311 and apply the handbrake if required ? Not so easy to look out for signals .......... and I suspect the Unions might have had something to say about a goods guard on board passenger type stock ??!? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: Again forgetting the operating of railways in the past. Running trains unfitted was a normal thing and moves of coaching stock and multiple units was no exception! Just because stock is fitted it doesn’t mean it has to be used! Happened into the 1980s with the 317/507/508s, although the brake vans used as match vehicles had tightlock couplers at one end. Still unfitted though. And there were trains of LU Tube stock going all the way to Rosyth in Fife for refurb. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 Weren't the S stock delivered with ad-hoc through piping to vehicles on the back of the train for extra brake power? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, melmerby said: Weren't the S stock delivered with ad-hoc through piping to vehicles on the back of the train for extra brake power? Yes - with bogie tank wagons as brake force runners. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 minute ago, DY444 said: Yes - with bogie tank wagons as brake force runners. Similar arrangements have been used for the plethora of units that have arrived from various manufacturers in Continental Europe. Amongst the vehicles I've seen have been:- Five or six Cargowaggon Flats, one or two ex-VTG vans [ unit/s being transferred] then repeat formation, in reverse order; The ex-VTG vans nearest the vehicles having adaptor couplings. Similar formation with Eurotwin twin container flats. The unit being transferred is sandwiched between two halves of a Eurotwin, fitted with adaptor couplings. The other Eurotwins carry containers to increase brake force. The only time I've seen any transfers without adaptors have used the Railway Operation Group's 37, which carry their own adaptor couplings, air and electric power. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, DY444 said: Yes - with bogie tank wagons as brake force runners. Full? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 07/08/2021 at 20:32, montyburns56 said: Midgeholme 1953 Hate to disappoint people here but since I could not see any piping around the cowling, it is not a jet engine but a tunnel ventilating fan - here is a web page with a picture showing two similar looking units installed in a tunnel. https://news.panasonic.com/global/stories/2020/77148.html 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 When is a stereotype not a stereotype? Derry 1950s 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Is that a giraffe on the end of the vehicle on the right? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 hours ago, keefer said: Happened into the 1980s with the 317/507/508s, although the brake vans used as match vehicles had tightlock couplers at one end. ..... ...... and 455s. ( Never believe what you read on a brakevan ! ) : - 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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