BR(S) Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Class 24 towing a caravan!: https://flic.kr/p/fAQh3C 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Brilliant! Thanks for that link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 For a minute and from the title I thought it was another piece of stupidity from Jeremy Clarkson! You'd need pretty high steps to get in and out, though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Could be a prototype for a cut price overnight sleeper service mounted by freight operative ?? dh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Class 24 towing a caravan!: https://flic.kr/p/fAQh3C Wasn't there a traffic in caravans from the Hull/Beverley area by rail to the Continent at one time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Have you ever thought you might have accumulated too many 31s to fit on your 1990s layout at one time? Fear not, because here are 5 at Rugby in 1996, led by 31423. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted June 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2016 Class 24 towing a caravan!: https://flic.kr/p/fAQh3C Need to show this to Stubby47! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2016 Have you ever thought you might have accumulated too many 31s to fit on your 1990s layout at one time? Fear not, because here are 5 at Rugby in 1996, led by 31423. Scan-160606-0006.jpg You'd need that many to have any hope of keeping time. Is 423 taking the rest to a scrapyard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 It could well be. It is listed as withdrawn in Sep 1996 in my book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Have you ever wanted a bogie oil tanker on your ECML or BR(NE) layout but feel that your era of 1961/2 is a little early for one? Worry no more, because here is a photo of 60891 arriving at Berwick On Tweed with a passenger service on 31st May 1962, but look at the BP oil tankers in the sidings. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Have you ever wanted a bogie oil tanker on your ECML or BR(NE) layout but feel that your era of 1961/2 is a little early for one? Worry no more, because here is a photo of 60891 arriving at Berwick On Tweed with a passenger service on 31st May 1962, but look at the BP oil tankers in the sidings. s60891 berwick 31:5:62.jpg You can also run them prewar! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't think I have ever seen those before. I always imagined that bogie tankers for oil products began with the 100t ones later in the 1960s. These appear to be on ex-bogie bolster wagons fitted with cradles, or something similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) I don't think I have ever seen those before. I always imagined that bogie tankers for oil products began with the 100t ones later in the 1960s. These appear to be on ex-bogie bolster wagons fitted with cradles, or something similar. No, they were built like that - starting in 1908. There's a drawing in Petroleum Rail Tank Wagons of Britain by R. Tourret if you fancy building some. John Edited June 18, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 You can also run them prewar! Mark Saunders Pre- (both) Wars; they didn't wander much off their path between Central Scotland and Grain (Kent) over all that time, though. Initially, the traffic was from the oil-shale plants around Bathgate to Grain Refinery, I believe, but in later years it was paraffin wax from Grain to Grangemouth. There were other bogie oil tanks dating from at least the inter-war period; Pratt's Petroluem (later ESSO) owned some. These lasted into the late 1960s; I saw one at Landore Diesel Depot then, loaded with diesel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 There's also a couple of good pictures on p23 of R Tourret's wee book British Railway Private Owner Tank Wagons, no 14 in Cheona Publications Railways in Profile Series. One is between 1908 & repainting when taken over by BP in 1919 and the other 1968. A happy reader of the book. Duncan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I don't think I have ever seen those before. I always imagined that bogie tankers for oil products began with the 100t ones later in the 1960s. These appear to be on ex-bogie bolster wagons fitted with cradles, or something similar. In the HMRS drawing collection! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is "oil products" the key to tanker size. The higher fractions would be volatile therefore it would be logical for safety reasons to transport in smaller 4 wheel tankers (wasn't petrol originally available only in tins until after WW1?) But at the other extreme, at the bottom of the refining column, bitumen has to be heated (by steam heat circuit?) before discharge - therefore only 4 wheelers also.. Maybe those earlier bogies were bunker fuel. I remember reading somewhere that the GE oil fired locos used 'recovered oils'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 These tanks were for crude oil. This is the reason why they are not part of the SMBP fleet but solely BP as the SMBP fleet was used for refined product as they had a joint marketing operation from c1932. As mentioned these tanks are a lot older than that. BP also had a fleet of 4 wheel crude oil tank wagons some of which were used for oil produced in Derbyshire. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 These tanks were for crude oil. This is the reason why they are not part of the SMBP fleet but solely BP as the SMBP fleet was used for refined product as they had a joint marketing operation from c1932. As mentioned these tanks are a lot older than that. BP also had a fleet of 4 wheel crude oil tank wagons some of which were used for oil produced in Derbyshire.That's an interesting point. My late dad was originally a Shell salesman with (he claimed) a red 2 seater flat nose Morris with a Shell badged jerry cab on the running board. The SMBP staff remained very partisan after the merger, he'd always maintain the BP lot were snootily Public School and stand-offish. There were quite a few English oil wells besides east Derbyshire: Eakring in Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire; also Dorset (all BP D'Arcy Exploration Co fields) which we'd always somehow happen to pass-by on cross country journeys. I remember in particular the forlorn nodding donkeys around Altcar, behind Formby in SW Lancashire. I never imagined they'd pump enough crude to justify bogie rail tanker connections! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 You know how DCC fans like to cover diesels with LEDs? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 penshaw by david willoughby, on Flickr 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2016 Nice find. An HST loco with Mk1 brake. A difficult one to beat. Nice find. An HST loco with Mk1 brake. A difficult one to beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 6, 2016 Author Share Posted July 6, 2016 I think that was the England football team's train returning from France after the Iceland match. They got the stock they deserved. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Nice find. An HST loco with Mk1 brake. A difficult one to beat. All credit to the original photographer. Just noticed. This was the next one in his album: penshaw by david willoughby, on Flickr and there is this: Light Loco by Ian Robinson, on Flickr P Edited July 6, 2016 by Porcy Mane 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 6, 2016 Author Share Posted July 6, 2016 I had no idea power cars were allowed on the main line individually without some form of barrier vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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