roythebus Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The first train I worked as a 2nd man on BR was a class 81 with a SR utility van as a parcels train from Rugby to Crewe. 3 men and 3300hp! December 1974. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I think I've mentioned elsewhere 1S81 in the 1980s, 2050 Carlisle-Perth, formed by a Roarer (to Mossend, Type 2 thereafter), two passenger coaches and two Postal vehicles. On Saturdays the Postal vehicles were not conveyed. The acceleration, whether with four coaches or two, was fierce ! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBrit Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 When you haven't purchased any buffer stops, a pole will do. Panama Canal Railway. Panama City 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, caradoc said: I think I've mentioned elsewhere 1S81 in the 1980s, 2050 Carlisle-Perth, formed by a Roarer (to Mossend, Type 2 thereafter), two passenger coaches and two Postal vehicles. On Saturdays the Postal vehicles were not conveyed. The acceleration, whether with four coaches or two, was fierce ! Ironically, towards the end of that trains existance, the two passenger coaches returned from Perth to Carlisle (ECS) as part of one of the longest trains to run in Scotland, the Perth to Manchester Red Bank empty vans. 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Metr0Land Posted December 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 Something different for Christmas day. My own photos, and of a French test train in England. Singlewell loop 27 April 2003 and this ensemble was in use testing HS1. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post iands Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 Got a couple of 9Fs on your layout but you think you have too few wagons to make a realistic train? Not to worry, all you need is three SWB wagons and you can "top and tail" with the 9Fs. 92116 with a class mate. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, iands said: Got a couple of 9Fs on your layout but you think you have too few wagons to make a realistic train? Not to worry, all you need is three SWB wagons and you can "top and tail" with the 9Fs. 92116 with a class mate. Any idea where that is as there is a rake of Bulleid coaches behind them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 25/12/2019 at 10:27, Metr0Land said: Something different for Christmas day. My own photos, and of a French test train in England. Singlewell loop 27 April 2003 and this ensemble was in use testing HS1. 'Vulcain' is used as a mobile test-load bank, to make sure that circuit-breakers open and close as they should, computer displays show the correct indications. UK test loads came from a Class 84, IIRC, for Section One, and a brace of yellow-liveried Class 86 for Section 2. Vulcain still makes a couple of visits every year, though she's been superceded by a TGV-version of the NMT, for many functions. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, iands said: Got a couple of 9Fs on your layout but you think you have too few wagons to make a realistic train? Not to worry, all you need is three SWB wagons and you can "top and tail" with the 9Fs. 92116 with a class mate. ....... and call it a Push-me-pull-you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Which one did the guard ride in? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, russ p said: Any idea where that is as there is a rake of Bulleid coaches behind them Hi Russ, Unfortunately I don't have any location details. 92116 was a Westhouses, Wellingborough and Kettering engine for most of its life, so a wild-stab-in-the-dark-guess on my part would say somewhere perhaps on the Midland Main Line. However, for approximately the last 18 months of its life, 92116 was a Warrington Dallam engine, so could be somewhere in the north-west. I assume the "9015" on the smoke box door is a head code, so that could be a clue on this particular working's origin/destination - heading for the Southern Region? Would any of the more resourceful members out there have such knowledge/information? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, iands said: Hi Russ, Unfortunately I don't have any location details. 92116 was a Westhouses, Wellingborough and Kettering engine for most of its life, so a wild-stab-in-the-dark-guess on my part would say somewhere perhaps on the Midland Main Line. However, for approximately the last 18 months of its life, 92116 was a Warrington Dallam engine, so could be somewhere in the north-west. I assume the "9015" on the smoke box door is a head code, so that could be a clue on this particular working's origin/destination - heading for the Southern Region? Would any of the more resourceful members out there have such knowledge/information? I'll have a fiver on immediately east of Basingstoke in the cutting. Carriage siding, with SR stock, on the Up side visible in the background where the sidings had singled down to just the one, electricity pylon in just the right place for the topography, and an LSWR signal gantry of the correct length (just spanning the two Down Lines). But if I'm right what on earth was it doing on the Down Slow at the east end of Basingstoke Edited December 31, 2019 by The Stationmaster 2 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: I'll have a fiver on immediately east of Basingstoke in the cutting. According to Google the photo used to be on Flickr and was captioned as being Basingstoke. The photo seems to have been removed from Flickr now. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: I'll have a fiver on immediately east of Basingstoke in the cutting. Carriage siding, with SR stock, on the Up side visible in the background where the sidings had singled down to just the one, electricity pylon in just the right place for the topography, and an LSWR signal gantry of the correct length (just spanning the two Down Lines). But if I'm right what on earth was it doing on the Down Slow at the east end of Basingstoke 9 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: According to Google the photo used to be on Flickr and was captioned as being Basingstoke. The photo seems to have been removed from Flickr now. Thanks Stationmaster and SignalEngineer for identifying the location as Basingstoke. The photo was a recent purchase from ebay. Whilst the details identified the loco as 92116, no location details were given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2020 9O15 denotes an unfitted freight train destined for the Southern Region, the 15th of that day's working timetable. It is a booked regular working not a one off or a special, and must have run on either every week day, or on a regular weekend day, or a booked number of days a week. It is certainly an odd formation and it is of course possible that the leading loco is carrying an incorrect headcode. There is no evidence that the trailing loco is in steam, and it is possible that a footplate grade man with route knowledge (or a pilot) is aboard, acting as the guard and using the tender handbrake to control the train. Which opens the question of side lamps, required to be displayed on an unfitted or part fitted goods train. Paging Stationmaster Mike, return to the thread please... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 31/12/2019 at 15:20, iands said: Got a couple of 9Fs on your layout but you think you have too few wagons to make a realistic train? Not to worry, all you need is three SWB wagons and you can "top and tail" with the 9Fs. 92116 with a class mate. I Is it my eyes or is the connecting rod missing off the rear loco? Off to a scrapper perhaps where two 9Fs would be too heavy hence the wagons acting as spacers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, russ p said: Is it my eyes or is the connecting rod missing off the rear loco? Off to a scrapper perhaps where two 9Fs would be too heavy hence the wagons acting as spacers I thought it might be a trip to the scrapyard, too. I've seen pictures of a scrapyard trip with several V2s and a barrier wagon between each pair. However, unlike you (and I'm not saying I'm right), I think the rods are still there on the trailing loco. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, pH said: I thought it might be a trip to the scrapyard, too. I've seen pictures of a scrapyard trip with several V2s and a barrier wagon between each pair. However, unlike you (and I'm not saying I'm right), I think the rods are still there on the trailing loco. I can see side rods but not piston rod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, pH said: I thought it might be a trip to the scrapyard, too. I've seen pictures of a scrapyard trip with several V2s and a barrier wagon between each pair. However, unlike you (and I'm not saying I'm right), I think the rods are still there on the trailing loco. Possibly going to Eastleigh Works. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Would agree it appears to be a dead 9F, but unless it was a local/trip/specialised working would it still not be required to have a brake van in the rear? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Bon Accord said: Would agree it appears to be a dead 9F, but unless it was a local/trip/specialised working would it still not be required to have a brake van in the rear? Not if the train's fully fitted .... the leading two wagons have axleguard tiebars so they, at least are vac-fitted - the third one may have an eight-shoe arrangement. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2020 16 hours ago, The Johnster said: 9O15 denotes an unfitted freight train destined for the Southern Region, the 15th of that day's working timetable. It is a booked regular working not a one off or a special, and must have run on either every week day, or on a regular weekend day, or a booked number of days a week. It is certainly an odd formation and it is of course possible that the leading loco is carrying an incorrect headcode. There is no evidence that the trailing loco is in steam, and it is possible that a footplate grade man with route knowledge (or a pilot) is aboard, acting as the guard and using the tender handbrake to control the train. Which opens the question of side lamps, required to be displayed on an unfitted or part fitted goods train. Paging Stationmaster Mike, return to the thread please... What on earth the '15' has to do with the order on any particular day I really don't know - you simply used the next available number in the series but in practice they tended to be all over the place especially for freight numbers. But yes it does suggest it is a published train path rather than a special but it could well be that the O was used to clarify the destination Region on a special. But then we get to the interesting bit because it is not carrying Class 9 lamps but is lamped as a Light Engine/light engines coupled together etc. And it is probably fair to surmise that the wagons are most likely there to spread the loading instead of having the two engines coupled to each other and they might also, as already suggested, be adding some brake force as well. Being coupled light engines there is no need for a Guard or side lamps, but there should be (is?) a Rider on the rear engine (it would be fully manned if it is in steam but I suspect that it isn't). So in summary - it is carrying a Class 9 headcode but probably only to identify the path it is running in as it is lamped Class 0. My own view is that it is heading for Eastleigh Works having run, for whatever reason, onto the SR in the London area 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: What on earth the '15' has to do with the order on any particular day I really don't know - you simply used the next available number in the series but in practice they tended to be all over the place especially for freight numbers. But yes it does suggest it is a published train path rather than a special but it could well be that the O was used to clarify the destination Region on a special. But then we get to the interesting bit because it is not carrying Class 9 lamps but is lamped as a Light Engine/light engines coupled together etc. And it is probably fair to surmise that the wagons are most likely there to spread the loading instead of having the two engines coupled to each other and they might also, as already suggested, be adding some brake force as well. Being coupled light engines there is no need for a Guard or side lamps, but there should be (is?) a Rider on the rear engine (it would be fully manned if it is in steam but I suspect that it isn't). So in summary - it is carrying a Class 9 headcode but probably only to identify the path it is running in as it is lamped Class 0. My own view is that it is heading for Eastleigh Works having run, for whatever reason, onto the SR in the London area Don't forget this is the SOUTHERN where lamp codes don't mean what lamp codes mean elsewhere ! ........ though the crew may have forgotten to change it at Blazingsmoke, of course ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Wickham Green said: Don't forget this is the SOUTHERN where lamp codes don't mean what lamp codes mean elsewhere ! ........ though the crew may have forgotten to change it at Blazingsmoke, of course ? If they forgot to change it at Basingstoke they are going backwards on the wrong line No need for the lamps to tell folk where the train was going, the headcode would tell them that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: If they forgot to change it at Basingstoke they are going backwards on the wrong line No need for the lamps to tell folk where the train was going, the headcode would tell them that. Sorry, I was thinking WEST of Basingstoke where there are similar sidings on the up side - though the cutting's nowhere near as deep. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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