RMweb Gold john new Posted March 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 08/03/2021 at 17:00, Courtybella said: Class 57 hauling East Coast stock including driving van trailer to the cutters torch at Newport, South Wales. Madness. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Busmansholiday Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2021 You just know this was before the words "Risk Assessment" was involved in anything. 17 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Busmansholiday said: You just know this was before the words "Risk Assessment" was involved in anything. Hi There, By using a correctly rated and appropriately positioned crane, with suitable lifting gear and slinging arrangements it would seem that the men in overalls in the 1960's were complete fools even before the the clever clogs in suits started interfering with absolutely everything from 1990 onwards. Gibbo. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 14 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi There, By using a correctly rated and appropriately positioned crane, with suitable lifting gear and slinging arrangements it would seem that the men in overalls in the 1960's were complete fools even before the the clever clogs in suits started interfering with absolutely everything from 1990 onwards. Gibbo. That said unless it is a trick of the light there are only 2 chains on that box, meaning it would be incredibly unstable (as evidenced by the angle of lean on the box). Also if it swings unexpectedly the guy stood on the wagon holding the corner is going to be speaking in a high pitched voice for a few hours if he slips and straddles one of the cross members. No doubt the lift was successfully achieved and no one got injured but 4 chains would have been sensible. I am no lover of risk assessments but by any reasonable standards that lift is dangerous. 3 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, 37114 said: That said unless it is a trick of the light there are only 2 chains on that box, meaning it would be incredibly unstable (as evidenced by the angle of lean on the box). Also if it swings unexpectedly the guy stood on the wagon holding the corner is going to be speaking in a high pitched voice for a few hours if he slips and straddles one of the cross members. No doubt the lift was successfully achieved and no one got injured but 4 chains would have been sensible. I am no lover of risk assessments but by any reasonable standards that lift is dangerous. Not only that but containers aren't really designed to be lifted in such a fashion, especially 40' boxes; they're designed to be lifted vertically on four points - the upper twistlock housings - using a spreader or similar. If a spreader isn't available then it's advisable to have the slings from crane hook to 'box as long as possible. I've seen quite a few containers fold up and suffer structural failure when lifted like in that picture. They probably got away with it there because the container was new and likely empty. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted March 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Bon Accord said: Not only that but containers aren't really designed to be lifted in such a fashion, especially 40' boxes; they're designed to be lifted vertically on four points - the upper twistlock housings - using a spreader or similar. If a spreader isn't available then it's advisable to have the slings from crane hook to 'box as long as possible. I've seen quite a few containers fold up and suffer structural failure when lifted like in that picture. They probably got away with it there because the container was new and likely empty. I've seen the same happen with skips. A company I worked for used to lift them with chains if they needed moving around the yard. If the skips were full or even sometimes part full, this would result in the sides being pulled in, which was ok until the company we hired them from tried to stack another one in it when it was empty. Eventually a spreader was made up for lifting the skips, but it wasn't always used; sometimes it was just easier to use a couple of chains, than go find the spreader. Edited March 12, 2021 by rab 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 21 hours ago, Busmansholiday said: You just know this was before the words "Risk Assessment" was involved in anything. I’m not going to go down the health as safety angle. I’m just going to say that I simply cannot look at those wagons without thinking of the classic triang Hornby model! It’s etched in the model railway consciousness! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted March 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 hours ago, 37114 said: That said unless it is a trick of the light there are only 2 chains on that box, meaning it would be incredibly unstable (as evidenced by the angle of lean on the box). Also if it swings unexpectedly the guy stood on the wagon holding the corner is going to be speaking in a high pitched voice for a few hours if he slips and straddles one of the cross members. No doubt the lift was successfully achieved and no one got injured but 4 chains would have been sensible. I am no lover of risk assessments but by any reasonable standards that lift is dangerous. He appears to be leaning against it with his legs braced and presumably trying to push it with his shoulder to line up with the lugs on the wagon.......utterly irresponsible, he's not even wearing a fluorescent jacket! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2021 ..or a face mask. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmansholiday Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 The use of only two chains and the operators postion were my main concerns, but then, back in those days before H&SAWA nobody worried about such trivialities, not even for an official publicity picture (York Trailers) like this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Back in those days nobody bothered about 'elf an' safety until someone got hurt - or worse ....... THEN mitigating measures might have been introduced. Nowadays lawyers are looking out for any possible opportunity for injury - however unlikely - and making it impossible ..................... and making it well nigh impossible to do some previously simple tasks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) On 10/03/2021 at 21:20, Busmansholiday said: You just know this was before the words "Risk Assessment" was involved in anything. Why've the containers got doors in the sides as well as the normal ones at one end? Edited March 12, 2021 by brushman47544 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: Why've the containers got doors in the sides as well as the normal ones at one end? I don't think they are side doors, just flat panels. Quite a few boxes have flat panels at the point, not sure on the purpose but often logos are placed there, one that springs to mind was Transamerica leasing boxes made use of it for their logos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Leeds Waterloo Main Colliery Railway 1959 Aren't these those LMS coaches that Mainline/Dapol made models of? 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 There are LMS Period non- corridor coaches, but I don't think they have ever been made as RTR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 16 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Leeds Waterloo Main Colliery Railway 1959 Aren't these those LMS coaches that Mainline/Dapol made models of? Possibly the non-gangwayed equivalent of the LMS coaches that Mainline/Dapol made models of .............. or something very similar of a late pre-grouping origin ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 The crew of 2005 made absolutely sure they brought enough lighting-up wood with them ...... 9 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 10 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Possibly the non-gangwayed equivalent of the LMS coaches that Mainline/Dapol made models of .............. or something very similar of a late pre-grouping origin ! I’m pretty certain your right and that they are Period I non gangwayed stock. No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 13 hours ago, Aire Head said: I’m pretty certain your right and that they are Period I non gangwayed stock. No They are not LMS coaches as they have panelled ends and truss rod underframes, LMS period 1 coaches had matchboard ends and angle trussing. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 59 minutes ago, markw said: They are not LMS coaches as they have panelled ends and truss rod underframes, LMS period 1 coaches had matchboard ends and angle trussing. Excellent point I’d missed that. Probably ex Midland then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Mobile Compressor MC1 Teesside BSC 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Mobile Compressor MC1 Teesside BSC Yep - tow it fast enough an' it'll compress ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 09/03/2021 at 02:43, simon b said: The size of the locomotives is one thing, but the trains they pull can be difficult to grasp till you see one in full... 18000ft = 3.41 miles - 9 locos, 39,600 to 40,500hp, depending on make/model and power unit fitted... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 A tight fit for yer average Great Western Branch Line Terminus layout then ! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted March 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2021 That wouldn't even fit on the HLJ layout! Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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