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Yet another vote for the 71/74 in N please. This must be building up a few votes now!

An 07 shunter again in N please.

Any Ex SECR steam loco. Rtr southern locos always seem to be geared towards ex LSWR examples.

 

 

But yes, the 71 and 07 please. If it helps produce a rtr version I can start building a kit... Normally works.

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Hello Dave,

 

I'd suggest the Coal Tank. Think it would do well across all three scales.

 

Or, how about an Aspinall tank? (L&YR)

 

Pushing the boat out a bit further, there's the ex-Taff Vale class A, which was the mainstay passenger locomotive in the Cardiff Valleys.

 

Any of those big eight wheel Southern jobs......

 

Tongue in cheek time.... How about a decent, heavyweight, class 42xx....?

 

Ian

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As ever with this type of thread lots of whacky ideas coming out as well as some very good suggestions. :)

 

So, semi seriously ( and yes, I know it's another western engine!) what a fantastic model a Dean Single would make....

 

I know it could probably never happen but no harm in dreaming!

 

Trevor

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Hello Joseph

 

I have looked at the Mike King drawings of the Tavern Car sets (as built and as re-built). There are some similarities (for example, the ends are the same), but my view – as a non-engineer – is that they really are ‘four different animals’. As you say, the modern need for accuracy overrides the old Hornby method of putting different sides on the same underframe and roof.

 

Although the first Tavern Car sets entered service on the Southern Region in May 1949 on the Atlantic Coast Express, some sets could be seen on the ER (for example, on The Master Cutler and The White Rose). However, they all seem to have been back on the SR by summer 1950.

 

Of course, the main attraction of the Tavern Cars is within the Atlantic Coast Express – and that train really warrants the Bulleid 10¼in ventilator stock (Loose BCK, 2-sets Nos.63-75 and 3-sets Nos.771-793). Somewhat annoyingly, the ‘loose BCK’ is different to that in the 2-sets!

 

And this hasn’t mentioned a single one of the many coaches that are needed for GWR/WR, LMS/LMR and LNER/ER modellers!

 

Brian

 

Of course, people might consider building a Southern Pride Models kit. But I have just googled them and see that the entire Bulleid range has been withdrawn for upgrade.

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Of course, people might consider building a Southern Pride Models kit. But I have just googled them and see that the entire Bulleid range has been withdrawn for upgrade.

Joseph,

 

surely RTR manufacturer wish lists are about avoiding building models? Many of the models listed in this thread are available as kits but many modellers don't/won't build them. There is clearly less effort in wishing for something and writing about it on topics like this.

 

Looking back through this thread, it must be difficult for Dave to accurately identify what people want. A poll would have produced a more definitive idea, but then you need to know what the other manufacturers plans are too, before you can make an informed decision.

 

Jol

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F-UnitMad, on 19 Nov 2013 - 11:14, said:snapback.png

From this & subsequent posts, I take it the sheer irony of my post about suggestions for the box for RTR models has been completely missed..... ;)

 

Sorry, did I miss something that ought to be on my wishlist?

My Post #258, page 11 of this Thread, should explain it.... ;)

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Add to that class 375 and 379, they're all over the South East now, and probably coming to a county near you soon...

 

I'd buy multiples (in SouthEastern livery)

Make it a Southern 377 in N gauge and I'll have half a dozen.  For a layout that doesn't yet exist except in my mind, in a scale I haven't modelled in for about 10 years.

 

A OO version might be more complicated but I am sure I could work a plan in the space I have...

 

Spending an hour each day sitting on one on my commute to and from work, you do get a bit attached to them.

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Looking back through this thread, it must be difficult for Dave to accurately identify what people want. A poll would have produced a more definitive idea, but then you need to know what the other manufacturers plans are too, before you can make an informed decision.

Polls can be very useful but also prescriptive. Dave is starting a new venture which means he is relatively free to chart his own course. A little blue-sky thinking might yield one or two unexpected ideas.

 

Besides, I am sure Dave has been a member of this Forum long enough to know what happens on wishlist threads. ;) This one serves the dual purpose of collecting ideas and also avoiding his product-specific threads from getting blown off-topic by related wishlisting.

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You may well be right in the majority of cases.

 

But tooling is such a massive part of the costs (especially on some of the short runs we see nowadays), that any opportunity to maximise use of the tooling has to be worth looking at.

 

Take for example the EM2 which shared its bogie design with the D600 Warship. It would be a shame to waste that opportunity.

 

... and with the LMS Twins. Which have been tooled twice in recent memory!

 

The Nim.

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Joseph,

 

surely RTR manufacturer wish lists are about avoiding building models? Many of the models listed in this thread are available as kits but many modellers don't/won't build them. There is clearly less effort in wishing for something and writing about it on topics like this.

 

Looking back through this thread, it must be difficult for Dave to accurately identify what people want. A poll would have produced a more definitive idea, but then you need to know what the other manufacturers plans are too, before you can make an informed decision.

 

Jol

 

Jol,

You are right of course about the purpose of such lists. I just wonder whether whereas locos are quite difficult to build and get to run well, a well-designed pre-decorated plastic coach kit is fairly within the scope of most of us. It follows that an RTR manufacturer has to be a bit more careful about duplicating coaches and wagons that are available as kits, especially when of a rather specialised type.

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I think one thing we need to be mindful of in making suggestions is the matter of financial liquidity for a small company.  I suspect it isn't much cheaper to develop a coach than it is to develop a loco but in order to achieve a return it has to then sell at what many folk would regard as 'a high price' but the only way to recover the investment is then buy selling in volume - which a high price could mitigate against.  All well and good if a company has a broader base or a track record (and therefore has built up some financial security/bankability) but doing coaching stock in early days, or even dmus, looks like a financially risky way of going unless it is something esoteric and quirky and will therefore work in the market area where folk are not only prepared to spend money but actually have it to spend.  And that market probably amounts to what - maybe only 1,000 or so units (as in unit of production).

 

So in early days carefully chosen locos where sales of 1,000 or 1,500 units can be made at c£100 - 120+ would seem to represent a more viable business model, to me at any rate (unless of course tooling is shared with variants when a wider range of variants could probably be viable in smaller individual numbers).

I dont recall that goalpost being included in Daves opening gambit post looking back or other restrictions in ideas/comments/suggestions. 

 

As I read it, Dave wasnt concerned with the "business savvy" side of things.  I'm sure that element would be covered by those more experienced in such things ie; Dave et al :)

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I dont recall that goalpost being included in Daves opening gambit post looking back or other restrictions in ideas/comments/suggestions. 

 

As I read it, Dave wasnt concerned with the "business savvy" side of things.  I'm sure that element would be covered by those more experienced in such things ie; Dave et al :)

 

Indeed it wasn't - but some of it should surely be pretty obvious?  I recall in the past Pennine (late of this forum) and myself pointing out that - for instance - to accurately model the Trans-Pennine dmus which a number of people were asking for would require about half a dozen different vehicles and that would push costs sky high which would affect the market.  Singleton or pairs of coaches are a slightly different proposition because they can perhaps sell as a complete train in themselves, complex formations are not so straightforward.

 

Yes, I'm sure DJM is getting a feel of what folk are interested in from this thread - otherwise he wouldn't have started it - and I'm sure he's looked through umpteen polls plus got potential past experience of what folk and retailers feed back to manufacturers.  All I'm saying in effect is don't wish too hard for something which could end up costing a lot more than you think it might.  A fledgeling business needs cash flow more than anything else so the place to head is the areas that will produce exactly that.

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Jol,

You are right of course about the purpose of such lists. I just wonder whether whereas locos are quite difficult to build and get to run well, a well-designed pre-decorated plastic coach kit is fairly within the scope of most of us. It follows that an RTR manufacturer has to be a bit more careful about duplicating coaches and wagons that are available as kits, especially when of a rather specialised type.

Joseph,

 

I don't think that the RTR manufacturers are too concerned about what already exists in kit form.

 

The majority of 4mm modellers don't even consider buying loco and carriage kits, so they are "new" customers for a particular model. On the other hand, some model makers who would have bought a kit for a particular prototype may buy a RTR model even if they still have to modify/adapt it as it is sometimes perceived as easier than building a kit. 

 

So where duplication happens then the losers are the kit manufacturers and, in the event that they cease trading through losing a significant portion of their business, then those modellers that like building models and creating layouts that are a little different.

 

Jol

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... and with the LMS Twins. Which have been tooled twice in recent memory!

 

The Nim.

EM2 = Heljan

LMS twins = Heljan and Bachmann

D600 (was) Dapol, now projectd by DJM.

 

Agree that Heljan did EM2 & LMS twin, but otherwise different manufacturer, so no commonality!. And did Heljan reuse any parts?

 

Stewart

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Didn't sit through the rest of the thread.

 

Now, the silly part of me seconds the LMS Garratt in N, though I know that could never be profitable (though the $250 paperweight I got in the mail a couple weeks ago only reaffirms my desires,) but in all seriousness, I would love a GWR 350hp shunter.  Back to silliness, having a RTR Cathedral or some other 'never-was' would be insanely amazing.

 

And I also second the gentleman/lady who suggested supply 'blank' coaches with number transfers.  I think it could even allow you to undercut the 'big boys,' by being able to supply bulk packs more easily.

 

Also, as a general idea for if/when you approach major passenger locomotive prototypes, you might want to approach Kato for rights to copy their magnetic headboards.  The locos I had with them were absolutely amazing.

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