Scrap yard internal user wagons?

[mophead]

Hello

 

I'm currently planning a small scrap yard shunting layout based around the early 80's and wondering if there would be any need for any internal user wagons ? And what type be in use if any ?

 

Many thanks

Mophead

[corax67]

Hi - depends on the yard and who is running it but there is info regarding some BR special scrap wagon conversions here

 

http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/12-linind/scrap.htm

 

 

Plus there is the option of using POA scrap wagons - for further info see LTSV wagons website

 

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_008.php

 

 

Hope this helps

[Devonbelle]

Mophead

 

Recalling scrapyards on Western Region in the 80s, they tended not to have their own wagons - thinking Coopers Metals at Swindon, served by van braked BR wagons then air braked privately owned POA tyoe 4 wheel wagons - they had a loco but not wagons. Perhaps the big exception I recollect is Allied Steel and Wire at Cardiff, who had internal vehicles. Same was true of places like Exeter City Basins scrapyard, just served by BR vehicles and the same was true of the scrapyard near Stapleton Rd where BR vac braked vehicles served their needs.

 

I do also remember straying in Allen's Scrapyard at Tyseley by the steam museum in 1985, they had some grotty fowler diesel shunters and JXA bogie box wagons, but definitely no internal users.

 

Paul

[Fat Controller]

AS&W was/is a steelworks; it did haul some of its scrap in its own wagons, not in ones belonging to the scrapyard. The only time I can think where a scrapyard might have its own vehicle would be a van to store cutting gear in. Most scrapyards would try and avoid double-handling scrap, so they wouldn't really have any need for stock; if they needed to segregate different types of scrap, they'd either use skips or things resembling coal cells.

[mophead]

Thank you for the quick replies I've got a few poa/ssa scrap wagons somewhere stashed away ill after dig them then

 

Having a look at paul bartletts excellent wagon website I've seen a few mineral wagons in internal use at queenborough that seem to be loaded with scrap?

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/queenboroughsheerness

 

Mophead

[br2975]

AS&W was/is a steelworks; it did haul some of its scrap in its own wagons, not in ones belonging to the scrapyard. The only time I can think where a scrapyard might have its own vehicle would be a van to store cutting gear in. Most scrapyards would try and avoid double-handling scrap, so they wouldn't really have any need for stock; if they needed to segregate different types of scrap, they'd either use skips or things resembling coal cells.

 

Allied Steel & Wire started as a co-operation between British Steel and G.K.N. to cast mainly billets from scrap metal, following the clousre of the BSC East Moors plant in 1978. 

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The closest source of processed scrap metal to Tremorfa was the Bird's, Forty Acre Site located near where the Cardiff Heliport is now located.

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Birds moved to a site directly opposite the Tremorfa steelworks alongside Rover Way, and which was connected to the plant by the AS&W internal railway system.

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GKN (later ASW) would buy redundant 16 tonners and Iron Ore tipplers from BR and use them as internal scrap carriers until (a) some would need rebodying, or ( B) if beyond repair following their load into the EAF. 

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These would be the wagons operating in the early 1980s.  and were in a batch numbered between MP105 - MP395, with a handful surviving until 1990 at least.

MP253 16t Mineral B563192

MP258 rebuilt tall body B385441   

MP271 27t Tippler B380487 

MP309 16t Mineral B181886

MP310 16t Mineral B247189  

MP385 16t Mineral B254427

MP387 16t Mineral B583435

MP389 16t Mineral B217722

MP390 16t Mineral B172458

MP392 16t Mineral B581647

MP395 27t Tippler B387139

 

 

Another batch, numbered SW801 - SW803 were former BR 21 tonners, I have no details of when these were purchased from BR, but all were gone before 1990.

 

Some were even examples of the BR Shildon rebodied 21 tonners

 

AS&W also built their own IU scrap wagons using Warflat (bogie wagons, some being ex-BR coil wagons) wagons as a basis.

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They also obtained a batch of four wheeled scrap wagons based on the AS&W 'Black Adders' but without running gear suitable for mainline operations, these were known as 'Red Adders'

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Finally a large batch of POA wagons rendered redundant by the then new JNA boxes were bought by AS&W and renumbered, but retained their original number plates.

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AS&W went into liquidation in 2002 and were later bought by Celsa (UK) a Spanish company.

 

All the scrap wagons in existence at 2002 have been scrapped, and there is no internal movememnt  (by rail) of processed scrap these days other than reject coils being returned from the Castle Works (Cardiff Rod Mill) for melting down and recasting.

Brian R

Edited December 1, 2013 by br2975

[Gazza]

Hi all 

can anyone tell me what the warning data states on the black painted panel is please 

Has anyone got the high res picture and quantify the data please 

[br2975]

 

Hello,

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I took the photos, and numerous others.

 

BF975 in the upper photo was purpose built for internal use at ASW, and was of similar body design to the Powell Duffryn built POA 'Black Adder' wagons.

However, the underframe was not rebuilt or suspension rebuilt as on the network registered POAs.

The internal users were known as 'Red Adders'

All ASW wagon numbers were prefixed to identify their type, or purpose.....BF = Birds Fragmentisers

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KW900 in the bottom photo is a former PDUF POA, one of many which ASW purchased for internal use when the POAs were superseded by bogie JNAs

KW = Korky's Wagons, as 'Korky the Cat' was the nickname of an ASW employee at that time.

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The wording on BF975  is as follows.........

"Maximum load

35 tonnes

Wagon not to be moved

by placing machines

against body or brake

work."

 

Brian R

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by br2975