2014 Hornby Announcements

[OnTheBranchline]

Most of the ambulance trains were converted from Toplights, but here's Ambulance Train No 16 formed of corridor clerestories and a bunch of 40' K16 PBVs. The bespoke Ambulance Trains were I think all outshopped in varnished olive, and the vehicles had significant alterations from their previous running state. That's why Hornby aren't doing an Ambulance Train.

 

Similar to Olympics 2012, Hornby is attempting to jump on the WWI centenary bandwagon by doing as little as possible: an unlined green Star (fictional for that era, and Princess Alice would have looked rather different in WWI compared to Hornby's Star) with a bunch of 1922-liveried clerestories.

 

The £155 RRP looks good value for money though for retailers stripping the sets. (In distinct contrast to the £200 RRP for The Tyseley Connection, which is simply an £82 Hall and 3 £18 MkIs.) Maybe the WWI Troop Train is Hornby's way of shifting the slow-moving clerestories.

 

Btw, Andy, its R3192 code on page 1 should be R3219.

 

 

What would have Princess Alice looked like? I would assume full lining and Great (Garter Crest) Western with the brass safety value and copper capped chimney is what the livery was for her up to the mid 1920s?

[AngusDe]

Re watching "The Joy of (Train) Sets" on BBC4 tonight, it made me smile a few times as I thought of some of the comments on this thread!

Angus

[ikks]

Did anyone else notice that the pic on the front of the Gloucester train pack is a Britannia numbered 71000 with red Duke of Gloucester nameplates? Not reading anything into that....it's just a bit odd!

 

I'm certainly interested in the 1960 DoG - which will save me the job of backdating the present day one, which I've already ordered and will have to sell! And it will save me from failing to match the paint job on the BR1J tender that I would have to build. The Crosti 9F body looks really good from the pictures - cab and front spectacles are a giveaway that it's an all new body, and ripe for further detailing. The valve gear and motion bracket look a lot better than on the standard Hornby 9F too, though the lack of chassis detail does lose ground. Having just accumulated the necessary bits to do a rebuilt Crosti on a Bachmann donor to replace my GA one, I guess it was predictable that one of B or H would announce one. I don't need one.... I just like them. Not sure about the late crest version though - not many of the originals got the new crest before being rebuilt. The new maroon 46236 may find its way onto 1B as well.

 

Aside from that, it looks as if there is a good deal to interest a lot of people, but clearly not everyone will be ecstatic.

 

Iain

Hi Ian,

I too am now interested, was this tender fitted from 1960 until withdrawal?

 

Rgds........Mike

[darren01]

Hi
It’s great they are making these models and everyone seems happy about it ,But none of it will mean anything if these new model take for ever to get to the shops and end up coming out in dribs a drabs.It has now got to the point if you do not pre-order it, Your miss it and you end up taking a chance that the model you have ordered is up to scratch.Also no more sending the new stuff to their concession stores, leaving model shops with very little, Hornby need the model shops and the shops need Hornby.Hornby have to get this right first time, no more excuses, they have to deliver on time!.

[298]

Regarding the GWR troop Train Pack, no doubt Hornby could give them the historically correct 1909-22 dark lake finish but let's face it,  the coaches are charicatures so why goldplate plastic spoons....

Might they be repackaged from the rather unsuccessful 1908 Olympic pack...? (and if so, where did all the Counties go....).

[298]

I had heard earlier  this year that one of the Manufacturers was supposedly working on a class 84 it was also mentioned on the RM web but for the life of me I cannot recall who mentioned it. Think it was one of the big suppliers at an exhibition. so not Hornby then

 

1 down 3 to go

Was it (not anymore) Dapol Dave....? I'm not sure where he got wind of the 84 from, but he asked about doing "Sarah Siddons" but was told someone else has already spoken for it (Heljan).

[45568]

I'm interested in the 'concession' D49/1 Lincolnshire. Does this have a re-tooled body for the Shire, and will it come with the GCR tender?

Also, who are the 'concession' stores, and will I be able to purchase one from overseas?

Thanks in advance,

Peter C.

 

(Who has just had 4 of his wishes granted!!).

[Ozexpatriate]

I'm really disappointed, nay, heartbroken, at the lack of brand new GWR or S&DJR prototypes, in my view, the LNER and it's constituents get far too much exposure in the world today... Why couldn't we have some more panniers, I mean, there must be, oh, at least 1 or 2 remaining prototypes they could have chosen from, surely that's not too much to ask, in this day and age, wot?!...in fact, anything in Brunswick Green with a copper cap would have done... Can't Hornby see that this is a no-brainer?????????!!!!!!!    

 

The Padstow Lancers were hoping for something horse-drawn, but the less said about that, the better...

 

PS. Well done Hornby!  

Oh Captain, my Captain, thank you for your droll assessment. It made my day.

 

Happily, Hornby has obliged with several instances of "anything in Brunswick Green with a copper cap".

 

I know you are joking, but...

 

I had the opposite reaction looking at the steam era Train Packs and Train Sets:

• GLOUCESTER Pullman
• GWR FWW Troop train
• GWR (Preserved) “Pitchford Hall”
• Another preserved loco + support coach (albeit ex-LMS)
• Assorted SR/BR(SR) emus.

In fact I can think of at least six copper tops in "GREAT <arms> WESTERN" liveries alone:

• 4050 Princess Alice (in the ambulance set)
• 4073 Caerphilly Castle
• 4901 Addington Hall*
• 3835 County of Devon*
• 4261 4x22 2-8-0T
• 7233 72xx 2-8-2T

* (RAILROAD range)

 

Plus there are a couple of Hawksworth liveried 28xx from 2013, the Hawsworth "Pitchford Hall" above and the maroon "Olton Hall". That's a good year for GWR fans. (Eight GWR liveried locomotives is Hornby's average over the last 10 years or so.)

 

As much as I think the maroon livery is pretty, it's just not wonderful or Godly enough.

[Ozexpatriate]

I do not understand WR people moaning there is ' nothing for me'. There are more 2-8-0/2-8-2T locos with revised detail, more Stars, a County (4-4-0 and 4-6-0) a 2-8-0 tender loco, so it is not all bad news, and let's face it there is a 64xx and 1366PT on the way.

Since I disagreed with your post, I feel compelled to explain myself and ask who is moaning? I must have missed it.

 

Frankly, I'm quite delighted to see the Castle back in a GWR livery that appeals to me and have said so. Strictly speaking, I'm not a BR(WR) modeller so perhaps I misinterpreted your post?

[Ozexpatriate]

Regarding the Great War GWR Ambulance train:

 

In regards to the GWR WW1 Troop Train Pack, I think that Hornby genuinely thought that it was being historically accurate with that train pack and simply was not aware about the coaches being in the 1922-1927 livery (probably used them because they have used them in the past).

 

The way I see it, there are three options for Hornby:

 

1) Do nothing and release the train pack as is ...

 

If Hornby goes with Option 1, I would be disappointed but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Option 1 is my vote. Should I purchase this, I wouldn't be buying it for any 'commemorative' value and it certainly doesn't appear to be priced with that in mind. We know exactly what to expect with the Clerestory coaches. I suspect that they are more useful to more people in chocolate and cream than lake, though having them in lake would no doubt appeal to some.

 

I'm not the least bit worried about what it says on the box. We know that they're not a high fidelity model. At this point I'd rather have something to run rather than wait for coaches from that period to appear. If I needed high-fidelity models I'd be looking at building (or having someone build) kits rather than use these.

 

Regarding the GWR troop Train Pack, no doubt Hornby could give them the historically correct 1909-22 dark lake finish but let's face it,  the coaches are charicatures so why goldplate plastic spoons....

Indeed.

 

I quite agree Coach - they're basically a pastiche, end of story.  The only GWR official views I have of 1914-18 passenger stock for military use are of ambulance trains and they include no clerestory roofed vehicles at all (and they're in crimson lake of course).  So it's just a nice little marketing gimmick which will sell to R number collectors and few others plus no doubt some retailers will strip out the locos and coaches and sell them separately - job done.

Mike, my Bachmann City needs something to pull. These coaches will do that job well enough.

 

Most of the ambulance trains were converted from Toplights, but here's Ambulance Train No 16 formed of corridor clerestories and a bunch of 40' K16 PBVs. The bespoke Ambulance Trains were I think all outshopped in varnished olive, and the vehicles had significant alterations from their previous running state. That's why Hornby aren't doing an Ambulance Train.

 

Similar to Olympics 2012, Hornby is attempting to jump on the WWI centenary bandwagon by doing as little as possible: an unlined green Star (fictional for that era, and Princess Alice would have looked rather different in WWI compared to Hornby's Star) with a bunch of 1922-liveried clerestories.

 

The £155 RRP looks good value for money though for retailers stripping the sets. (In distinct contrast to the £200 RRP for The Tyseley Connection, which is simply an £82 Hall and 3 £18 MkIs.) Maybe the WWI Troop Train is Hornby's way of shifting the slow-moving clerestories.

Lake or varnished olive in that picture Miss P? Plus there are very evident red crosses in your picture. (Agreed on the bandwagon assessment.) 

 

Might they be repackaged from the rather unsuccessful 1908 Olympic pack...? (and if so, where did all the Counties go....).

No, the 1908 Olympic set featured in Hornby's recent last week of November 'sale'. It was attractively discounted and it sold out. The 1908 set was a limited edition too.

[Ozexpatriate]

There is a small numbering problem apparent.

The following picture is NOT mine! So please don't go reproducing! As you can see, the number is 46233

http://www.tyseleylocoworks.co.uk/tlw/images104/46233tys240612bjv.jpg

© Brian Jones

 

Whereas, the model shown on Hornby's website in numbered 46223:

http://www.Hornby.com/shop/2014-range/steam-locomotive-and-packs/r3221-lms-duchess-of-sutherland-and-support-coach-train-pack/

 

Please say this isn't early signs of Hornby repeating last years procedures...........

Go ahead and send them a note. It's a relatively simple fix and better to raise it now than after the fact.

[Mikkel]

The GWR clerestories certainly aren't up to date.  But I see them as "Railroad" items. They are there to appeal to newcomers or people who don't worry too much about details. From that perspective, I wouldn't mind seeing them in crimson lake as a way of illustrating to non-specialists that the GWR was more than chocolate and cream - and that pregrouping is a wonderful and different world to enter. Whether it would be profitable for Hornby is a different matter - I personally doubt it.

[Mark Hamlin]

Like most I am very happy to see a J15 and K1 plus the Claud.

 

I was very much hoping for a B17 footballer in early BR livery, I thought they would sell like hot cakes. Seems I might have to break out the T cut and Fox transfers again!

[Bernard Lamb]

How far north for a J15?

Try the S & M,  or the Gartsherrie Iron Works.

I wonder where the one at that location went for servicing?

Bernard

[Robin Brasher]

This is meant to be a reply to 80104 in post 422. Last time I tried it came out as a new post. Hornby made R2260 Manston with the late crest as preserved on the Swanage Railway in 2002 as a limited edition for the Hornby Collectors Club. The easiest option would be to buy a mint boxed one for £125 or one in good condition for £100. This highlights the problem of limited editions. The original probably came out before Manston was running. Now it is running there is a greater demand for it but Hornby cannot produce a model of it with the new crest because they have already produced it as a limited edition.

 

The other options are to buy R3279 Manston for £157.50, change the cycling lion crest for a late BR crest and ruin the second hand value or to swap the tender with an existing Hornby Bulleid Pacific with a similar tender.

[Dunsignalling]

This serves great interest to me for a number of reasons:

No1, Manston is Preserved on the Swanage Railway, and I see it all the time!

No2, Hornby have made Manston before, not too long ago either. It was made as a limited edition of 500.

No3, The model they're going to release is not the 'as preserved' condition, as Manston is preserved with late crest. Whereas the previous Limited Edition Model was the 'as preserved' condition.

I'd personally love to get this, but that fact it's not in 'as preserved' condition slightly puts me off. I might see if I can get one and change the tender body.............

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION!

If you just change the tender body, it won't match the lining on the cabside which was/is different when running with a cut-down tender.

 

I have one of the earlier ones (unused) and my preference would for be the latest version. If you want the older one, get the new one and I'll do you a straight swap.

 

John

[ThaneofFife]

Just had a look - 194 quid for a paid of HST power cars

 

if you run on DCC add at least another £20 to that for a pair of decoders as these packs are not dcc fitted.  Getting expensive.....

Hi guys,

 

There seems to be some confusion over the Blue Grey MK3 eastern region and the Intercity Exec MK3 livery.   As I read it (which differs from the original post on here with the photos) the 1ST CLASS, TGS, BUFFET in the blue grey livery are featuring lighting, but the TS do NOT HAVE LIGHTS.   This is according to the Hornby website.

 

This bizarre trend continues with the Intercity Exec coaches.   The 1ST CLASS, TGS AND BUFFET do not have lights, but the TS coaches DO HAVE LIGHTS!   What's the point in that?? That will look really crap, some of your rake with lights and some without.

 

Anyone else notice this?!

 

 

Yep but its highly unlikely they would release 3 coaches with lights in a matching livery "set" and 1 without lights so I let common sense rein on that one.  Perhaps your local retailer can confirm if you have real concerns about pre-ordering. 

 

Unfortunately as much discussed here and elsewhere it turned out not to be the definitive model we were hoping for despite the premium price.

 

Even though I do have two in my possesion.

 

So a bit of a catch 22 situation, although I do feel this particular episode was a major set back for British OHLE modelling.

re; Heljan Class 86 - the arguments being put up by some commentators about how ACs dont sell is beginning to really lose its gloss now (a great many replies on this thread seem to be about the production or non-production of some new ACs so on that score its rather good that they are creating so much froth and debate). 

 

How many people recall the real buzz that was created leading up to Model Rail Scotland (back in oooh 2008 was it?) when Heljan were about to show off their new Class 86?  For those that werent there or dont remember, trust me it was being talked  big time as a proper game changer and would start a new interest in overheads.  Then it came out and then because of the errors it was panned.  That has done ACs no favours at all - I think had Heljan made the "definitive" Class 86 then we would not be reading all these arguments about the whys and wherefores of producing brand new electric locos.  I now ignore comments that purport the manufacturers say that do not sell - I will just let time do its thing because sooner or later another AC is bound to break cover and I dont think we will ever see another flawed AC like the Heljan 86 again - I would say everybody and his dog knows how bad thats probably scarred Heljan and they wouldnt want to make the same mistake.  

 

I also think a really positive development is the MK1s with interior lighting. Personally I'm prepared to pay more because it looks really good and I'm no good at installing it myself!

 

Are you saying it looks really good from that one photo on the website showing an illuminated compartment?  Yes that does look great but I would be more interested in confirmation that it was one taken of an actual sample coach and that the level of lighting will be the same and not a library photo of somebody elses private efforts at lighting (which it so easily could be and indeed I reckon I have seen that photo somewhere else before).  Whether the light is spread around the coach correctly is another point altogether as it might just feature lighting in the compartments leaving the corridors, toilets and vestibules out in the cold but on the postive side at an RRP of £36.50 I would hope it would feature lighting in these areas rather than a straight light bar slapped into the roof.     

 

Interesting to see quite a considerable amount of discussion around the lack of AC locos - don't recall previous years announcements creating such buzz around them, will be interesting to see if the Blue team have anything to offer!

 

 

Yes I dont really hear too many posts from people saying we need another 37 or 47 or Class 55 yet these posts about 86s/87s and 90s now seem to be popping up on a weekly basis.

 

Well now the Sarah Bo-Bo has been ticked off the list, ACs will move a little higher up future wishlist surveys now as did the AirCon Mk2s for a few years before Bachmann did the honours with the 2f's 

[Unknown Warrior]

Some years ago I remember running my rake of Hornby Clerestory Coaches finished in Midland Livery hauled by a Bachmann Jinty in early LMS Crimson Lake Livery (a livery it has carried in preservation) on the Club Layout at an exhibition. I was asked which kits I had used to build the coaches! The point is that from normal viewing distance on a layout they looked quite convincing in spite of the large couplings! Food for thought there I feel!

[Flying Fox 34F]

Well fans of the GE section will be happy, me included.  However, I've done some research in Yeadon's register and it appears that all the Claud Hamilton's are the early D16/3 rebuilds with the valance removed and the footplate straightened.  I will still buy the two i intend having, but I hope Hornby can produce the original footplate version, then the boiler options become much more flexible.

Paul

[darren01]

Price's,  I see no one has said anything about this yet?.

 

 just had a look at the new West County loco a little bit shocked at the RRP from Hornby ;RRP £157.50, Come on this model must have paid for it self ten times over, so why the silly price?.

And a RRP £162.25 RRP on a 31!, god this is getting to the stage where i may stop buying Hornby at these prices.

 

The other thing to look at is these prices they have given here are this years prices, so how much will they be when they come out in 2015?.

Darren

[Guest Belgian]

I wonder if Hornby will get their J15 out as quickly as the Great Eastern did no. 930. It took Stratford 9 hours 45 minutes to build it in 1913. Have we progressed in 100 years? . . .

 

JE

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Perspective on the welcome choice of two more maid-of-all-work 0-6-0s. That's one of the outright prettiest of the type and the LNER's most numerous pre-group inherited class, and an ugly bug that unaccountably has a following, ticked off, and mark Hornby actually having a go at these small and ordinary types for the first time since the Triang 3F. (Their Dean goods and 4F having been happily swept up in the Airfix/Dapol acquisition.) Since Bachmann have already embarked on these with what looks like success, and we have at least three more RTR players listing steam introductions, the future prospects seem to me promising for those other examples that are lobbied for. Provided that people buy them....

I'll take a shot at 51 or so years ago - didn't the B12 and Brush Type 2 "The Eastern Region Diesel" come out the same year?

Much more recent surely? Hornby may not have planned to do it in such a heap but the production troubles delaying the B17 resulted in the L1/B1/O1/B17 and Gresley non-gangwayed coming out over a pretty short period? And this year's effort at 52xx, 72xx and Star is a fair concentration on the company/region that is totally neglected for RTR according to its followers...

[davefrk]

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but there was an original J15 which worked in Scotland. Okay it wasn't in railway service but did work on some LNER lines to the south east of Glasgow. LNER number 7690 was purchased in 1938 by Bairds and Scottish Steel Co. for use between their various collieries, lime works and ironworks. Just after I served my time in engineering a chap started with us and when he found out my interest he told me all about loco No. 1 of 'Bairds & Scottish Steel'. As an apprentice in 1938 he helped alter and fit the brass dome to the 'new' No 1  after the previous 'mainline' engine was scrapped. He also regularly travelled on the engine to out lying sites to do maintainance on plant and machinery. He gave me some copies of the proof pages of a book that was written by a fellow worker at Bairds which had a photo of the J15. I've only seen one other photo and that was of the tender in the yard at Cowlairs works around 1955 whilst the loco was in for heavy repairs. The loco was withdrawn in 1960. 

 

So, a prototype for everything.

 

Dave Franks

[iL Dottore]

Returning to differentiating between the RailRoad models and the "standard" range (see my earler post), I noted the following from the Hornby website:

 

R3170 RailRoad GWR 4-6-0 'Adderley Hall' 4900 Hall Class. RRP: £82.99

Features: 3 Pole Motor with Flywheel. DCC Ready, GWR livery.  Detail:  None stated. Special Features: Loco Drive (note illustration on Hornby website shows brake gear present)

 

R3169 RailRoad GWR 4-6-0 'Olton Hall' 4900 Hall Class. RRP: £82.99

Features: 3 Pole Motor with Flywheel. DCC Ready, GWR livery (sic). Detail:  None stated. Special Features: Loco Drive (note illustration on Hornby website shows brake gear present)

 

R3205 GWR 4-6-0 'Rood Ashton Hall' 4900 Class. RRP£119.99

Features: 3 Pole Motor with Flywheel. DCC Ready, BR livery.  Detail:  Brake Gear, Etched Nameplates. Special Features: Cab detail

 

If the Hornby website pictures accurately reflect the final models (a big IF), then the £37 differential will get you 1) an etched nameplate, 2) Cab detail, 3) possibly a brass casting for the smoke box dart and 4) er, that's about it....

 

I do not see anything that I could not upgrade in my workshop for under 20 quid (smokebox dart: £4.20, etched plates: £9.25, HMRS bufferbeam numbers £6.50 - the current prices from the internet). Even the backhead wouldn't cost more than £3.50 or so (and even then "lack of cab detail" may be simply a question of not having the backhead moulding painted on the RailRoad model). This minimal difference between "standard" and "RailRoad" models may be something also found with their LMS, LNER, SR and BR models. And if this is representative of the differential between "standard" and "RailRoad" models, then for the failrly skilful modeller, RailRoad models could become a very, very attractive alternative to the "standard" range.

 

I wonder how many modellers, not getting the "standard" version Hall in GWR livery, will acquire Adderly Hall in the GWR livery and upgrade and thus deprive Hornby of the sale of a "standard" Hall model in GWR livery at a later date?

 

This minimal differential between the ranges may result in Hornby looking at the sales of both ranges and then deciding to follow a "less detailed" route if RailRoad sales of the Hall are better than the sales of the standard range (which I think would be unfortunate).

 

edited for coherence

[Fenman]

Perspective on the welcome choice of two more maid-of-all-work 0-6-0s ... Hornby actually having a go at these small and ordinary types for the first time since the Triang 3F...

 

Q1?

 

Paul