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The Hornby green Mk1s are not in the Railroad range and have not been manufactured yet so we don't know how they will compare with the Bachmann coaches. It is likely that the livery will look more like BR SR coach green than the Bachmann MK1s. Bachmann may have painted their models in the correct colour but a colour on a small area looks darker than on a large area. I agree that most established late crest BR SR modellers will have more than enough green MK1s as shown by the recent poor sales of green Bachmann MK1 coaches so Hornby may not have made a good business decision in making some more.

 

The coaches with crests were used on the Royal Wessex until 1963 when they became loose coaches. The Royal Wessex coaches did not have set numbers so Hornby is correct in excluding them. The Royal Wessex went from Waterloo to Bournemouth West and then on to Swanage and Weymouth so the model coaches would appeal to anyone modelling part of that area and beyond after 1963. People modelling the Swanage Railway would also use them. I attach a picture of a BR SR coach with a crest on the Swanage Railwayattachicon.gif004.JPG. Since the coaches have been marketed with coach crests and are likely to appear in the 2014 catalogue with coach crests people who have pre-ordered the coaches will be disappointed if they find the coaches do not have any crests.

I hope Hornby don't put the crest where it is on that one - it should be under the window on the other side of the door!

 

However, I like the faded colour - my Bachmann Mk1s are in the older (too light) green and aren't a million miles from that.

 

I was under the impression that there will be some green ones without lighting (or crests) in the Railroad range and assumed the lit ones would be an upgrade of the same with better wheels, the lighting and (maybe) a superior paint job (with or without the badge). As I don't go in for lighting I wouldn't pay the extra for something I don't want.

 

I agree with you that the Bachmann green is probably very close for an ex-works full size coach but looks way too dark on the models.

 

John

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The Bachmann ones have been around so long now that most established modellers should already have nearly all the Mk1s they'll ever need.

 

John

 

I agree with you that the Bachmann green is probably very close for an ex-works full size coach but looks way too dark on the models.

 

John

 

I probably do have all the Maroon and Blue/Grey Bachmann Mk1s I need but perhaps I am alone but I refuse to buy the SR green ones I need until they appear in a more accurate colour representation as a model. I have high hopes for the green Hornby will use as it would be odd if it doesn't match their Maunsells. But they mustn't have the crests or I'll just have to wait even longer...

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Since the coaches have been marketed with coach crests and are likely to appear in the 2014 catalogue with coach crests people who have pre-ordered the coaches will be disappointed if they find the coaches do not have any crests.

Poor sods. I think we need RMweb for railway modellers and an BOweb for box openers.... :sarcastic:

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Poor sods. I think we need RMweb for railway modellers and an BOweb for box openers.... :sarcastic:

And some exhibition goers :mosking:

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Hornby's BR SR coach green seems to the right colour as is shown by a picture of their brake van C against the Swanage Railway Birds Nest Buffet Car. If Hornby uses the same shade for the new BR SR Mk1 coaches they should sell well.

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Well I bought some Chocolate and Cream Railroad Mk1s before Christmas as a trial to see how they ran. I have to say I'm really impressed at £15.50 these are a steal. I like the fine windows on them which in my view are superior to the Bachmann ones . I've now started adding maroon Mk1s to supplement my Bachmann ones. They are great and run together fine with Bachmann. I find they are less likely to derail and uncouple accidentally. Although considerably lighter it does not appear to affect running. I was going to put some coaching roundels on them, but actually I rather like them as they are.

 

So unusually for me, to Hornby its a resounding well done!  More like this please. I note that the BSKs are getting hard to come by so it looks like others are similarly impressed. Only sour note is that my local model shop advised buying now as his next batch he will need to put price up by £2. Tempted to get some more Cks and SKs to replace some of my heavier Bachmann coaches.

 

The forthcoming green ones will hold their own with Bachmann for sure, although I'm puzzled that Hornby see the need to add lighting.  Some Blue and Grey to Railroad spec would be very nice for 2015

 

Now if they could only make some Staniers to same spec...............

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Hornby's BR SR coach green seems to the right colour as is shown by a picture of their brake van C against the Swanage Railway Birds Nest Buffet Car. If Hornby uses the same shade for the new BR SR Mk1 coaches they should sell well.

Master of the bold statement and wish-fulfilment. :no:

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Well I bought some Chocolate and Cream Railroad Mk1s before Christmas as a trial to see how they ran. I have to say I'm really impressed at £15.50 these are a steal. I like the fine windows on them which in my view are superior to the Bachmann ones . I've now started adding maroon Mk1s to supplement my Bachmann ones. They are great and run together fine with Bachmann. I find they are less likely to derail and uncouple accidentally. Although considerably lighter it does not appear to affect running. I was going to put some coaching roundels on them, but actually I rather like them as they are.

 

So unusually for me, to Hornby its a resounding well done!  More like this please. I note that the BSKs are getting hard to come by so it looks like others are similarly impressed. Only sour note is that my local model shop advised buying now as his next batch he will need to put price up by £2. Tempted to get some more Cks and SKs to replace some of my heavier Bachmann coaches.

 

The forthcoming green ones will hold their own with Bachmann for sure, although I'm puzzled that Hornby see the need to add lighting.  Some Blue and Grey to Railroad spec would be very nice for 2015

 

Now if they could only make some Staniers to same spec...............

The Hornby MK1 green coaches with crests with lights will look strange coupled to an M7 with a pull-push set without lights. It would seem more sensible to give people the option of having MK1 green coaches without lights and without the coach crests.

 

I think that the Hornby Staniers are very good. The prototypes did run on the Swanage Railway which I am modelling so I have bought some although most of mine are Mainline ones which at £5.95 per coach were a lot cheaper. Britain's Model Trains 2013 awarded Hornby's Stanier coaches 88% compared with 68% for Bachmann's LMS coaches. I thought that the Bachmann LMS coaches were excellent when Mainline first produced them.

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I love Robin's juxtaposition of Hornby's model and a real coach in his picture at post 1097 - it is a reminder of how fortunate we modellers are today.

 

John

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It looks like I will have to put some new lettering on my Hornby BR green Mk1 coach with a coach crest if I am modelling this coach on the preserved Swanage Railway.

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Looking at the images of the green MK1s on the Hornby website, the coaches are to be numbered as follows:

 

BSK - 34239 (R4609)

SK - 24305 (R4608)

CK - 15027 (R4607)

BSK2 - 34239 (R4609A) so the same image has been used.

 

Assuming R4609A will carry a different number, logic would suggest it will be 34240, which four coaches together make up standard 4-car set number 869. This is a really good choice as it operated, according to the semgonline website, as a South Eastern Division 4-car set until 1963 when it moved to the South Western Division as a 3-car set without the SK. Include the coach set number on the ends and it's correct for both a 3-car and 4-car set.

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According to the EHattons web site R4609A BR green Mk1 BSK brake second corridor with lights is due on or after Friday 4 July 2014 whereas the other green Mk1s are not due until on or after Friday 8 August 2014.

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From Hornby Facebook page

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2014 Estimated Product Arrivals
Before the end of February
R4540 - EAST COAST COACH
R4542 - EAST COAST BUFFET COACH
R3133 - EAST COAST TRAIN PACK
R3131 - A4 GREAT SNIPE
R4534A - PULL N PUSH
R4534B - PULL N PUSH
R4536B - BR BOGIE PASSENGER BRAKE VAN
R6592 - 4 PLANK WAGON FLEETWOOD
R6586 - 21 TON WAGON
R3001 - SPECIAL CLASS 91 MODEL RAIL
R6613 - 20 TON BRAKE VAN #1
R6614 - 20 TON BRAKE VAN #2
Mid-March
R6597 - 5 PLANK WAGON HOPTON WOOD
R6579 - 4 PLANK WAGON NEWMARKET
R6581 - 4 PLANK WAGON MORECOMBE ELECTRICITY
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From Hornby Facebook page

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2014 Estimated Product Arrivals
Before the end of February
R4540 - EAST COAST COACH
R4542 - EAST COAST BUFFET COACH
R3133 - EAST COAST TRAIN PACK
R3131 - A4 GREAT SNIPE
R4534A - PULL N PUSH
R4534B - PULL N PUSH
R4536B - BR BOGIE PASSENGER BRAKE VAN
R6592 - 4 PLANK WAGON FLEETWOOD
R6586 - 21 TON WAGON
R3001 - SPECIAL CLASS 91 MODEL RAIL
R6613 - 20 TON BRAKE VAN #1
R6614 - 20 TON BRAKE VAN #2
Mid-March
R6597 - 5 PLANK WAGON HOPTON WOOD
R6579 - 4 PLANK WAGON NEWMARKET
R6581 - 4 PLANK WAGON MORECOMBE ELECTRICITY

 

The estimated delivery date for the R4534A Pull-Push has been pushed back so many times since September 2012 that I don't take much notice of the delivery date now.

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The estimated delivery date for the R4534A Pull-Push has been pushed back so many times since September 2012 that I don't take much notice of the delivery date now.

Have you got one pre-ordered, this time, or are you taking pot-luck again?

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Just a thought...............

 

Now that Hornby have announced the Mk2e coaches (were going to be Mk2f but Bachmann got there first) are they going to still continue with the R4563 Blue Grey Mk2d BSO and the R4463B and R4463C INTER CITY ('Swallow') Mk2d TSO's?

 

As these are still listed on the Hattons forthcoming releases section as of tonight.

 

One would think the production slots for these would be better used for something else.

 

Ditto the add on 'Northern Belle' coach pack.

 

Haven't got the 2014 catalogue yet so unfortunately I do not know if the above are shown in it.

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Have you got one pre-ordered, this time, or are you taking pot-luck again?

I pre-ordered R4534A BR Pull-Push set from Rails of Sheffield on 9 July 2012 and R4534B from Hattons on 15 Sep 2013. When the first Pull-Push set came out I did not anticipate a problem as my local model shop on a preserved railway was full of Hornby coaches like the Pullmans and Devon Belle and locomotives like the M7 and the 4-VEP which it had been unable to sell and some are still on the shelves now. I was not aware that Hornby had a supply problem. I had intended to buy one from the local shop as soon as they came out but Hornby did not deliver there and by that time they had sold out everywhere. Hornby did make a second batch for some local shops, including one at nearby Lychett Minster, but I had already ordered R4534A from Rails and was expecting it in a few weeks time. The preserved railway shop had some train packs with the M7 and pull-push coaches but I have already got about 10 M7s and did not want another one. These sets sold out by November. If I had realised the delay would be over 1 year 4 months I would have bought one.

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I pre-ordered R4534A BR Pull-Push set from Rails of Sheffield on 9 July 2012 and R4534B from Hattons on 15 Sep 2013. When the first Pull-Push set came out I did not anticipate a problem as my local model shop on a preserved railway was full of Hornby coaches like the Pullmans and Devon Belle and locomotives like the M7 and the 4-VEP which it had been unable to sell and some are still on the shelves now. I was not aware that Hornby had a supply problem. I had intended to buy one from the local shop as soon as they came out but Hornby did not deliver there and by that time they had sold out everywhere. Hornby did make a second batch for some local shops, including one at nearby Lychett Minster, but I had already ordered R4534A from Rails and was expecting it in a few weeks time. The preserved railway shop had some train packs with the M7 and pull-push coaches but I have already got about 10 M7s and did not want another one. These sets sold out by November. If I had realised the delay would be over 1 year 4 months I would have bought one.

Ah. Belt and braces this time. Can't say I blame you.

 

My local shop also got fewer than they wanted of the first lot and I think I only got mine because I was one of the first to put in pre-orders.  :yes:

 

John

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Just a thought...............

 

Now that Hornby have announced the Mk2e coaches (were going to be Mk2f but Bachmann got there first)

 

Are you sure? Today's MREMag has some first shots of the Hornby Mk2e coaches taken at the London Toy Fair, which means they are further ahead in the production cycle than Bachmann's Mk2f coaches according to the last update in Bachmann Times magazine. Perhaps it's just that Hornby announces new models later on in their development.

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Are you sure? Today's MREMag has some first shots of the Hornby Mk2e coaches taken at the London Toy Fair, which means they are further ahead in the production cycle than Bachmann's Mk2f coaches according to the last update in Bachmann Times magazine. Perhaps it's just that Hornby announces new models later on in their development.

Maybe.

 

But I was echoeing some of 'Model Rails' comments on their Facebook page at the time of the Hornby announcement.

 

Just seen the pictures on MREMag before I moved over to RMWeb.

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Today's MREMag has some first shots of the Hornby Mk2e coaches taken at the London Toy Fair

Would you happen to have images of the Mk2s? Or does anyone who visited the LTF have any?

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HornbyFAN - as you will see from the posting above yours, they are on Model Railway Express Magazine (or MREMag) today - 2 photos of Hornby's Mark 2E coach. With thanks to Phil Parker of MREMag, fresh from the London Toy Fair held on Tuesday to Thirsday this week. The link is http://www.mremag.com/news/bulletin.asp

 

John

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I picked them up and had a look.  They seemed to be pretty much ready to go, but then, I am not a Mk2 coach expert.

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